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Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

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Do You Support a Change to 3 Letter Set Codes?

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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Huggybaby » 27 Sep 2008, 16:06

Thanks Snacko.

Nyth, you can use a password protected rar, or put it up at MediaFire with a password.

<edit>Also, 2 to 3 and 3 to 2 doesn't work, since MWS uses from one to three letters now.
How about something like "Current MWS to New Codes"?
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Nyth » 28 Sep 2008, 10:36

Ok, given that the exercise is to ensure that we have 3 letter codes for all sets, I've suggested a few for those not specified elsewhere (Wikipedia or otherwise). Those new or changed ones I've put in bold.

OLD NEW DESCRIPTION
A LEA Limited Edition Alpha
B LEB Limited Edition Beta
U 2ED Unlimited
R 3ED Revised Edition
4E 4ED Fourth Edition
5E 5ED Fifth Edition
6E 6ED Classic (Sixth Edition)
7E 7ED Seventh Edition
8E 8ED Core Set - Eighth Edition
9E 9ED Core Set - Ninth Edition
10E 10E Core Set - Tenth Edition
AN ARN Arabian Nights
AQ ATQ Antiquities
LG LEG Legends
DK DRK The Dark
FE FEM Fallen Empires
HL HML Homelands
IA ICE Ice Age
AL ALL Alliances
CS CSP Coldsnap
MI MIR Mirage
VI VIS Visions
WL WTH Weatherlight
TE TMP Tempest
SH STH Stronghold
EX EXO Exodus
US USG Urza's Saga
UL ULG Urza's Legacy
UD UDS Urza's Destiny
MM MMQ Mercadian Masques
NE NMS Nemesis
PY PCY Prophecy
IN INV Invasion
PS PLS Planeshift
AP APC Apocalypse
OD ODY Odyssey
TO TOR Torment
JU JUD Judgment
ON ONS Onslaught
LE LGN Legions
SC SCG Scourge
MR MRD Mirrodin
DS DST Darksteel
FD 5DN Fifth Dawn
CHK CHK Champions of Kamigawa
BOK BOK Betrayers of Kamigawa
SOK SOK Saviors of Kamigawa
RAV RAV Ravnica: City of Guilds
GP GPT Guildpact
DIS DIS Dissension
TSP TSP Time Spiral
TSB TSB Time Spiral Timeshifted
PLC PLC Planar Chaos
FUT FUT Future Sight
LRW LRW Lorwyn
MOR MOR Morningtide
SHM SHM Shadowmoor
EVE EVE Eventide
ALA ALA Shards of Alara
CH CHR Chronicles
AT ATH Anthologies
BR BRB Battle Royale
BD BTD Beatdown
DM DKM Deckmasters
EVG EVG Duel Decks: Elves vs. Goblins
DRB FVD From the Vault: Dragons
JVC JVC Duel Decks: Jace vs. Chandra
PT POR Portal
P2 P02 Portal Second Age
P3 PTK Portal Three Kingdoms
ST S99 Starter 1999
S2K S00 Starter 2000
AS AST Astral
MED MED Masters Edition
ME2 ME2 Masters Edition II
UG UGL Unglued
UNH UNH Unhinged
TK TKN Tokens
CST CST Coldsnap Theme Decks
BCE BCE Collector's Edition
4EA 4EA Fourth Edition (Alternate)
I2P I2P Introductory Two Player: Kazz & Zakk
MV MUV Multiverse
DC SDC Dreamcast (Sega)
BT8 BT8 Box Toppers 8E
BTP BTP Box Toppers Promo
FI FIL Filler Cards
OV OV6 Oversized 6x9
12 OV9 Oversized 9x12
WP WPM Misprints-Wrong Pics
TP TPR Test Prints
VG VGD Vanguard
VGM VGM Vanguard (MTGO)
ARE ARE Promo – Arena League
CHP CHP Promo – Champs
FNM FNM Promo – Friday Night Magic
GTW GTW Promo – Gateway
JGC JGC Promo – Judge Gift Cards
JSS JSS Promo – Junior Super Series, Junior Series, Junior APAC Series, Magic Scholarship Series
REW REW Promo – Magic Player Rewards
PRE PRE Promo – Prerelease
REL REL Promo – Release
PR PRO Other Promos
ARC ARC Armada Comics Promos
DLM DLM DCI Legend Membership
HHL HHL Happy Holidays Promos
HPB HPB Harper Prism Books Promos
SUM SUM Summer of Magic Promos
THG THG Two-Headed Giant
SM SMM Summer Magic
APL APL Asia Pacific Land Program
EUL EUL European Land Program
GUR GUR Guru Lands
MPS MPS Magic Premiere Shop Lands
REW REW Promo – Magic Player Rewards
PRE PRE Promo – Prerelease
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby staggerwingjtstw » 28 Sep 2008, 13:41

I think Nyth's list is an accurate representation of what the new descriptions would be. I only have three changes I would suggest.

First, and least inconsequential, Prerelease is on there twice. Once at the very bottom and once paired with the Release.
Second, considering that other sets with numbers in their name (Fifth Dawn, Tenth Edition and Portal Second Age) have numbers in their codes (5DN, 10E, and PO2 respectively) Portal Three Kingdoms should be P3K (which will really screw us up in 3000 AD and they release that new Portal set).
Finally, I feel Master's Edition should be ME1 rather than MED so we will have ME1 and ME2.
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Bog Wraith » 28 Sep 2008, 15:41

Nyth's list looks very workable.

Also, his program looks like it is the answer we've needed. I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl!

Thanks for your work on this Nyth! 8)
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Huggybaby » 28 Sep 2008, 21:29

Looks OK to me. We need to hear from the guys who make bases, everything hinges on the base.
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Nyth » 29 Sep 2008, 06:47

I think Nyth's list is an accurate representation of what the new descriptions would be. I only have three changes I would suggest.

First, and least inconsequential, Prerelease is on there twice. Once at the very bottom and once paired with the Release.
Second, considering that other sets with numbers in their name (Fifth Dawn, Tenth Edition and Portal Second Age) have numbers in their codes (5DN, 10E, and PO2 respectively) Portal Three Kingdoms should be P3K (which will really screw us up in 3000 AD and they release that new Portal set).
Finally, I feel Master's Edition should be ME1 rather than MED so we will have ME1 and ME2.
With regards to the codes, I've followed the Wizards internal naming system as much as possible which explains why Portal Three Kingdoms is PTK and not P3K and Master's Edition is MED and not ME1.

I've taken a few liberties with all the other "sets" that don't have internal names (that I know of at least) so please have a look and see if I've used any outrageously bad codes.

Similarly I am going to stress from now, and not in February, that Conflux is going to be a problem set if we stick to Wizards name of CON. If you have ever tried creating a directory with CON as the name, you will see what I mean. Con is a reserved DOS keyword and because Microsoft never really retired the command prompt, it cannot be used as a directory name. I'm not sure if this is the same on OSX and UNIX based systems.

Given all of that, I would suggest that the list should maintain Wizards naming conventions as much as possible bar the few odd cases such as Conflux.
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Mahamoti » 29 Sep 2008, 14:20

Don't change anything. A = Alpha and so on...
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Huggybaby » 29 Sep 2008, 20:09

We will be providing users the option of using either naming scheme with the next torrent release, the only question is which we will use as the default. This is common sense. We are looking to the future, and MWS is, after all, becoming obsolete. We will see what scheme Magic Playtable uses, I'm guessing it will be the new one.

Call conflux CFX.
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby worrapsworraps » 28 Dec 2008, 08:25

Hi all,

Just wondering if this plan is in motion as it's been nearly 3 months since the last post.

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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Huggybaby » 30 Dec 2008, 02:58

For now, the plan is to release the new torrent using the current codes, otherwise too many things would break. However, we plan to include a utility that will allow renaming of sets back and forth between current MWS and correct three letter. That's the best compromise I could come up with.
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote Now

Postby Bog Wraith » 31 Dec 2008, 16:20

A compromise I value and applaud Huggy! =D>
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote

Postby ParkerLewis » 31 Oct 2016, 14:19

Sorry to bring up this old thread, but any news on this ?

It seems the vote was quasi-unanimous in favor of change but current bases still use the old naming convention.

Having to deal with two different set naming convention (the official three letter one, and the old outdated one) is quite cumbersome as it prevents a lot of programs easily sharing data (deck lists, card pictures, etc).
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote

Postby Huggybaby » 31 Oct 2016, 15:28

I think all we need is a simple renaming utility but there seems to be no interest.
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote

Postby ParkerLewis » 31 Oct 2016, 16:00

Thanks for your reply. I must be missing something, because this renaming utility feels like a couple minutes job to code as long as you have a coding language you're familiar with.

Can you list me what it would have to do ?

- renaming set folders to the new convention
- reading all .mwDeck files and doing the same thing

Anything else ?

Because the coding part of this is really like a couple minutes job. I know I can code this in matlab in that much time. The only issue is that matlab is not a usable language for the general public, so you would need someone familiar with a language that is. But seriously, the task is so negligible that anyone with some knowledge of file interaction in any classical language (C, Python, ...) would be able to do this in the batting of an eye. It's a simple string replace !

I saw a Python script floating somewhere in these forums that was supposed to do something like this ?
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Re: Important 3 Letter MTG/MWS Set Codes Overhaul Poll: Vote

Postby Huggybaby » 31 Oct 2016, 18:59

Hey,

Thanks for the interest. I'm out of town right now so can't reply atm. I've outlined my ideas elsewhere a few times. I'll provide details when I get back to a real keyboard.

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