Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
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Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by Chris H. » 12 Sep 2014, 16:58
Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
14049 cards in total.
Release Notes
- Improved Commander support -
There will no longer be a black rectangle for "Commander effect" in the command zone.
The details previously available by hovering over that rectangle will now appear when hovering over the commander itself.
The dialog for the commander replacement effect will now display the commander's name.
- Momir Basic variant type -
Momir Basic is now available as its own variant option on the Constructed screen.
For this format. each player will automatically be given a deck with 12 of each basic land and the Momir Vig avatar.
- Choose value for X mana costs -
Now, when playing spells/abilities with X in its mana cost, you will now be prompted for a value for X prior to mana payment, ensuring the final mana cost is calculated properly from cost adjustment effects and allowing using the "Auto" button to pay the entire cost.
This also applies to spells with Replicate and Multikicker to allow picking the Replicate or Multikicker amount prior to paying the final mana cost.
- Auto-targeting support -
When playing spells and abilities with the text "target opponent", if you only have one opponent, you will no longer be asked to choose the opponent to target.
When triggered abilities have only one valid target, that target will now be auto-selected.
- AI improvements -
Some artificial intelligence improvements were made in this version of Forge.
The AI will now always attack with creatures that it has temporarily gained control of until end of turn in order not to miss the opportunity and thus waste the gain control spell.
The AI will no longer bounce guild lands back to hand right after playing them, which sometimes caused the AI to lock itself on land drops completely.
The AI will now try to predict if it wants to cast a spell in Main 2 and reserve some mana for it instead of aggressively pumping creatures with all available mana.
The AI will now also consider pumping a creature if it can predict that this creature will deal more damage to the opponent with its increased power, which should eliminate the senseless attacks with 0/1 creatures that do not get pumped even when they do not get blocked.
The AI will no longer waste equipment on cards that are useless (e.g. are tapped and do not normally untap, or can't attack or block anymore, etc.).
The AI can now optionally move equipment from one creature to another. For this purpose, a new AI profile variable was added: MOVE_EQUIPMENT_TO_BETTER_CREATURES. It defines whether the AI will always move equipment to better creatures if it has mana ('always'), will only move if the currently equipped creature becomes useless as defined above or because the AI loses control of the creature ('from_useless_only'), or will never move equipment around ('never'). The "Default" profile is set to only move the equipment to other creatures if the currently equipped creatures become useless for the AI, while the "Reckless" AI profile always moves equipment to better creatures when given a chance to (if it has mana and if it doesn't need to reserve mana for a future spell in Main 2).
- New Commander 2014 and Khans of Tarkir cards -
We have added a branch to our SVN for the new cards that are currently being scripted. These cards are not yet available in this build of forge. Please be patient and they will soon become available.
New Commander 2014 branch Cards
New Khans of Tarkir branch Cards
Known Issues
Contributors to This Release
Agetian
DrDev
elcnesh
excessum
Gos
Kapoue
KrazyTheFox
Sloth
Sol
Swordshine
Chris H
(Quest icons used created by Teekatas, from his Legendora set http://raindropmemory.deviantart.com)
(Thanks to the MAGE team for permission to use their targeting arrows.)
(Thanks to http://www.freesound.org/browse/ for providing some sound files.)
The links to the various archives:
14049 cards in total.
Release Notes
- Improved Commander support -
There will no longer be a black rectangle for "Commander effect" in the command zone.
The details previously available by hovering over that rectangle will now appear when hovering over the commander itself.
The dialog for the commander replacement effect will now display the commander's name.
- Momir Basic variant type -
Momir Basic is now available as its own variant option on the Constructed screen.
For this format. each player will automatically be given a deck with 12 of each basic land and the Momir Vig avatar.
- Choose value for X mana costs -
Now, when playing spells/abilities with X in its mana cost, you will now be prompted for a value for X prior to mana payment, ensuring the final mana cost is calculated properly from cost adjustment effects and allowing using the "Auto" button to pay the entire cost.
This also applies to spells with Replicate and Multikicker to allow picking the Replicate or Multikicker amount prior to paying the final mana cost.
- Auto-targeting support -
When playing spells and abilities with the text "target opponent", if you only have one opponent, you will no longer be asked to choose the opponent to target.
When triggered abilities have only one valid target, that target will now be auto-selected.
- AI improvements -
Some artificial intelligence improvements were made in this version of Forge.
The AI will now always attack with creatures that it has temporarily gained control of until end of turn in order not to miss the opportunity and thus waste the gain control spell.
The AI will no longer bounce guild lands back to hand right after playing them, which sometimes caused the AI to lock itself on land drops completely.
The AI will now try to predict if it wants to cast a spell in Main 2 and reserve some mana for it instead of aggressively pumping creatures with all available mana.
The AI will now also consider pumping a creature if it can predict that this creature will deal more damage to the opponent with its increased power, which should eliminate the senseless attacks with 0/1 creatures that do not get pumped even when they do not get blocked.
The AI will no longer waste equipment on cards that are useless (e.g. are tapped and do not normally untap, or can't attack or block anymore, etc.).
The AI can now optionally move equipment from one creature to another. For this purpose, a new AI profile variable was added: MOVE_EQUIPMENT_TO_BETTER_CREATURES. It defines whether the AI will always move equipment to better creatures if it has mana ('always'), will only move if the currently equipped creature becomes useless as defined above or because the AI loses control of the creature ('from_useless_only'), or will never move equipment around ('never'). The "Default" profile is set to only move the equipment to other creatures if the currently equipped creatures become useless for the AI, while the "Reckless" AI profile always moves equipment to better creatures when given a chance to (if it has mana and if it doesn't need to reserve mana for a future spell in Main 2).
- New Commander 2014 and Khans of Tarkir cards -
We have added a branch to our SVN for the new cards that are currently being scripted. These cards are not yet available in this build of forge. Please be patient and they will soon become available.
New Commander 2014 branch Cards
- Commander 2014 branch Cards list | Open
New Khans of Tarkir branch Cards
- Khans of Tarkir branch Cards list | Open
Known Issues
- Issues list | Open
Contributors to This Release
Agetian
DrDev
elcnesh
excessum
Gos
Kapoue
KrazyTheFox
Sloth
Sol
Swordshine
Chris H
(Quest icons used created by Teekatas, from his Legendora set http://raindropmemory.deviantart.com)
(Thanks to the MAGE team for permission to use their targeting arrows.)
(Thanks to http://www.freesound.org/browse/ for providing some sound files.)
The links to the various archives:
The Forge 09/12/2014 Windows and Linux archive (requires java 7):
Forge 09/12/2014 BETA packaged as a Mac OS application (requires java 7 and Mavericks OS X):
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by friarsol » 12 Sep 2014, 17:08
No new cards this release, so the stats are the same as last time. Lots of KTK cards to update in the next release though.
Forge Release Stats
Implemented (Missing) / Total = Percentage Implemented
14049 (156) / 14205 = 98.90 %
Forge Release Stats
Implemented (Missing) / Total = Percentage Implemented
14049 (156) / 14205 = 98.90 %
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by Fizanko » 12 Sep 2014, 21:07
there's a big nasty problem with Shrine of Boundless Growth in 1.5.26 (and very likely to happen for all other cards doing something similar) that didn't happened in 1.5.25.
The situation :
You have 3 lands on the battlefield, you have Shrine of Boundless Growth (with 1 charge on it) and wants to play a 3 mana creature.
Expected is that you play the 3 lands to play that 3 mana creatures, so you can get Shrine of Boundless Growth to continue to grow more charge counters so when your big ones come, you can play it earlier than what your lands would allow it.
It's what happens in 1.5.25
But in current 1.5.26 version it's not what happens.
You select the 3 mana creature, press spacebar or press OK to pay the 3 mana and the game will sacrifice Shrine of Boundless Growth and use 2 lands ! instead of using the 3 lands.
edit : played several more duels both in 1.5.26 and 1.5.25 with the same deck featuring 4 Shrine of Boundless Growth and indeed 1.5.26 will sacrifice it everytime instead of playings lands as it should when you play a creature that do not need the sacrifice of that card.
1.5.25 does not have this problem and will prioritize the lands to get the mana as it should.
The situation :
You have 3 lands on the battlefield, you have Shrine of Boundless Growth (with 1 charge on it) and wants to play a 3 mana creature.
Expected is that you play the 3 lands to play that 3 mana creatures, so you can get Shrine of Boundless Growth to continue to grow more charge counters so when your big ones come, you can play it earlier than what your lands would allow it.
It's what happens in 1.5.25
But in current 1.5.26 version it's not what happens.
You select the 3 mana creature, press spacebar or press OK to pay the 3 mana and the game will sacrifice Shrine of Boundless Growth and use 2 lands ! instead of using the 3 lands.
edit : played several more duels both in 1.5.26 and 1.5.25 with the same deck featuring 4 Shrine of Boundless Growth and indeed 1.5.26 will sacrifice it everytime instead of playings lands as it should when you play a creature that do not need the sacrifice of that card.
1.5.25 does not have this problem and will prioritize the lands to get the mana as it should.
Last edited by Fizanko on 12 Sep 2014, 22:30, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by ZappaZ » 12 Sep 2014, 21:26
Description: Ai main phase and it played Nykthos, shrine to Nyx.
I know it's not supported but wouldn't have guessed that the AI playing it would result in an error.
I know it's not supported but wouldn't have guessed that the AI playing it would result in an error.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by KrazyTheFox » 12 Sep 2014, 21:51
Ah, sorry. This one's my fault. I changed the way the AI taps lands for mana to be better at it for both AI and auto-tapping. Grab the newest snapshot with the fix here: http://www.krazyweb.net/forge/ZappaZ wrote:Description: Ai main phase and it played Nykthos, shrine to Nyx.
I know it's not supported but wouldn't have guessed that the AI playing it would result in an error.
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I'll see if I can figure out how to make these kinds of cards work better with AI tapping in the future.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by Fizanko » 12 Sep 2014, 21:54
AI assigned its 2 attackers
Crowd of Cinders
Black Knight
And it generated this error :
Crowd of Cinders
Black Knight
And it generated this error :
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by lujo » 12 Sep 2014, 22:39
Word of Undoing only returns the creature to the owners hand, but not the white auras (they go to the graveyard).
And I was so happy for drafting with that in mind. Even picked up the scarabs and the blue guy who changes color properties on white auras
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Also, you might want to disable Zuran Orb for the AI, it plays it terribly - it just sacrificed the only forest it had with it and it has 5 mountains. Either disable or touch it's code up, that is.
And I was so happy for drafting with that in mind. Even picked up the scarabs and the blue guy who changes color properties on white auras
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Also, you might want to disable Zuran Orb for the AI, it plays it terribly - it just sacrificed the only forest it had with it and it has 5 mountains. Either disable or touch it's code up, that is.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by KrazyTheFox » 12 Sep 2014, 23:08
I wasn't able to fix drafts not rotating the way they should before the release today, but I have just built a snapshot that makes them work as intended (finally). You can get it here.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by lujo » 12 Sep 2014, 23:27
Oh, wow, ty for that 
How exactly ARE they rotating now?
How exactly ARE they rotating now?
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by BaloErets » 13 Sep 2014, 03:47
Sphinx's Revelation's "X" is only being applied to life-gain and not to card draw. No matter what mana is paid, player gains X life and draws 0 cards.
Thanks
Thanks
Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by KrazyTheFox » 13 Sep 2014, 04:21
lujo wrote:Oh, wow, ty for that
How exactly ARE they rotating now?
The top preference (Wins for New Draft) determines how often new drafts will be generated. Every X wins will create a new draft.
The bottom preference (Wins per Draft Rotation) determines how long a draft sticks around before it disappears. A new draft will be available for X wins.
If I set the top to 5 and the bottom to 30, I'll have 6 drafts available at once with one disappearing every 5 wins and one being created every 5 wins.
You could set the numbers to be both 1 to provide a single draft for every win, for example. Or you could generate one every 2 wins and have 25 available.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by Agetian » 13 Sep 2014, 05:17
Something appears to be majorly wrong with certain abilities in this release. In addition to the reports above I can say that Extort appears to be partly broken. In particular, it'll damage the opponent but not give you life. A way to reproduce: put Blind Obedience into play, then cast a spell and activate Extort while being on 20 life. The opp will lose 1 life but you won't gain any (19-20 instead of 19-21). Anybody knows what's up with these abilities? (If it's the same as Sphinx's Revelation bug above, it affects abilities that do something *and* something else. Might be major and warrant a fixed snapshot release).
Here's a test case demonstrating the Extort bug (for use with the dev mode Setup Game State feature):
I tried looking at the code and it seems like the trigger for Extort is somehow set up incorrectly or some parameter fails to propagate: on line 2452 in CardFactoryUtil.java, AFGainLife is set to "Number$0", which always resolves to 0 life gained. Note that it's also incorrect to switch it to just "Number$1", because if the AI loses no life to Extort (e.g. due to Platinum Emperion), then the human should not gain any life. I'm not sure how to best resolve it, please assist if possible.
Here's a test case for Sphinx's Revelation not drawing cards (and only gaining life):
) It looks like, indeed, line 362 in AbilityUtils.java is returning the announced value (5) for the main ability ("gain life") but it's returning the text "Count$xPaid", which is then resolved to 0, for the sub ability. I attempted to fix this issue in r27326 r27327 (the first attempt was a blunder) but I'm not sure if I was correct in my approach. Please revise.
And one more issue: the AI prioritizes tapping creatures for mana and it screws it up when playing decks with many nonbasic lands (it commonly taps its potential attackers while leaving all or almost all lands open).
Also, yet another issue: for some reason, Extirpate showed me *my* library after i cast it on a card in *opponent's* graveyard.
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Here's a test case demonstrating the Extort bug (for use with the dev mode Setup Game State feature):
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HumanCardsInPlay=Blind Obedience;Plains;Plains;Plains;Plains;Raging Goblin
HumanCardsInHand=Holy Strength;Holy Day;Holy Day
HumanLife=20
I tried looking at the code and it seems like the trigger for Extort is somehow set up incorrectly or some parameter fails to propagate: on line 2452 in CardFactoryUtil.java, AFGainLife is set to "Number$0", which always resolves to 0 life gained. Note that it's also incorrect to switch it to just "Number$1", because if the AI loses no life to Extort (e.g. due to Platinum Emperion), then the human should not gain any life. I'm not sure how to best resolve it, please assist if possible.
Here's a test case for Sphinx's Revelation not drawing cards (and only gaining life):
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HumanCardsInHand=Sphinx's Revelation
HumanCardsInPlay=Plains;Plains;Plains;Plains;Island;Island;Island;Island
) It looks like, indeed, line 362 in AbilityUtils.java is returning the announced value (5) for the main ability ("gain life") but it's returning the text "Count$xPaid", which is then resolved to 0, for the sub ability. I attempted to fix this issue in And one more issue: the AI prioritizes tapping creatures for mana and it screws it up when playing decks with many nonbasic lands (it commonly taps its potential attackers while leaving all or almost all lands open).
Also, yet another issue: for some reason, Extirpate showed me *my* library after i cast it on a card in *opponent's* graveyard.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by bevryde » 13 Sep 2014, 07:49
If I play Constructed and give the AI "Random Decks: Random Generated Deck", I still see "AI can't play cards well" messages... Shouldn't this be gone?
Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by Nekoatl » 13 Sep 2014, 12:21
After confirming the Kodama bug is still present in this version, I dug through my recycling bin to try and find a working version and failed. So, I used Nightmare as a reference and tweaked kodama_of_the_center_tree.txt until it worked. I'm attaching the modified file here.
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Re: Forge Beta: 09-12-2014 ver 1.5.26
by Fizanko » 13 Sep 2014, 14:45
Launch Forge
Constructed Mode
1 player
1 AI
Enable " Archenemy "
Click "Select Scheme" and set "Generate" (or anything else)
Click "Scheme Deck Editor"
this is then generated :
Constructed Mode
1 player
1 AI
Enable " Archenemy "
Click "Select Scheme" and set "Generate" (or anything else)
Click "Scheme Deck Editor"
this is then generated :
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