Forge Beta: 10-22-2014 ver 1.5.29

[Nekoatl]

Vesuvan Shapeshifter no longer triggers flip abilities of creatures it copies. Easily reproducible using 50% Mox Sapphire, 25% Vesuvan Shapeshifter, 25% Echo Tracer:

steps to reproduce | Open

1) Play at least 3 Mox Sapphire.
2) Play Echo Tracer face-up.
3) Play Vesuvan Shapeshifter face-down.
4) Morph Vesuvan Shapeshifter, copying Echo Tracer.

At this point, there should be a prompt to choose a target creature to return to hand, but nothing happens.

Relevant ruling from gatherer.wizards.com: | Open

If Vesuvan Shapeshifter is turned face up, the process of turning face up includes (optionally) choosing another creature on the battlefield. You'll pay {U} (not the morph cost, if any, of the new creature), then Vesuvan Shapeshifter will turn face up as a copy of that creature, plus the triggered ability it gives itself. It won't turn face up as a Vesuvan Shapeshifter and then change. If the copied creature has a "when this creature is turned face up" ability, it will trigger for Vesuvan Shapeshifter.

[friarsol]

Vesuvan Shapeshifter no longer triggers flip abilities of creatures it copies. Easily reproducible using 50% Mox Sapphire, 25% Vesuvan Shapeshifter, 25% Echo Tracer

I'll take a look when I have a chance, there may be some other residual issues with Clones and triggers, but this one shouldn't be too bad to resolve.

[Chris H.]

A new snapshot build deployed to cardforge based on SVN 28064:

http://cardforge.org/releases/snapshots/forge/forge-gui-desktop/1.5.30-SNAPSHOT/

[slo-moe]

There is still a problem with the AI casting Jeskai Charm to target a creature that was killed on a previous turn and so is no longer in play.

My turn 4: AI killed my Heir of the Wilds with a Lightning Strike.
Turns 5 and 6: we each played just a land.
AI turn 7: AI casts Jeskai Charm targeting my Heir of the Wilds which is in my graveyard.

Jeskai Charm invalid target

[Nordos]

Sometimes if I win, my game doesn't move on.
Instead of a new match, nothing happens. I can't do anything, not even with the developer tools :S

[Midori]

Two issues:
1. I chump blocked with an Loaming Shaman equipped with Lightning Greaves. End of Turn i returned the Loaming Shaman to my hand with Phyrexian Reclamation . On my turn i played Loaming Shaman from my hand and it entered the battlefield with Lightning Greaves equipped.

2. In assumption the Lightning Greaves equipped on my Loaming Shaman was a displaying bug, i clicked on my Skullclamp to equipp it on my Loaming Shaman. Since Loaming Shaman was my only Creature on the battlefield, the equip ability tried targeting Loaming Shaman, thanks to the new Auto-Target-feature if only one valid target is in available. But since my Shaman had Shroud, the prompt window informed me that my target is not legal and i have to choose a different one. But there were no valid targets i could choose and the prompt window had no cancel option or the like, wich caused the game to be stuck on this situation.

[slo-moe]

When AI has two Kiora's Follower in play, it gets into an endless loop: Follower 1 untaps Follower 2, then Follower 2 untaps Follower 1. Repeat endlessly.

[Nekoatl]

When AI has two Kiora's Follower in play, it gets into an endless loop: Follower 1 untaps Follower 2, then Follower 2 untaps Follower 1. Repeat endlessly.

Yeah, there are a lot of potential infinite loops like that, for example if the AI has a Sharuum the Hegemon in graveyard and plays another Sharuum the Hegemon, it'll keeping pulling them out of the graveyard and sacrificing them due to controlling 2 Legendary permanents with the same name. Worse, for something like 2 Myr Galvanizer and a Palladium Myr, the AI can keep superficially improving its game state with the infinite mana combo, which makes it an attractive play even to some more advanced AI algorithms. It's not an easy problem to solve.

[slo-moe]

I appreciate the insight, Nekoatl. Just brainstorming here: maybe it can be solved by having a way to represent the game-state -- e.g., ordered list of card name without ID, power, toughness, tapped/untapped -- along those lines. Then see whether the game-state changes; if it doesn't change, don't repeat the action. Just my thoughts....

[Nekoatl]

I appreciate the insight, Nekoatl. Just brainstorming here: maybe it can be solved by having a way to represent the game-state -- e.g., ordered list of card name without ID, power, toughness, tapped/untapped -- along those lines. Then see whether the game-state changes; if it doesn't change, don't repeat the action. Just my thoughts....

That would work for some cases, including the one you posted, but not for all. That's why I mentioned the Myr example. Throw in something like a Myr Propagator, and the AI has a legitimate reason to keep using the combo until it has "enough" tokens on the field. Since it shouldn't know what you'll be able to field for defenses on your next turn, every additional Myr Propagator token increases its chances of being able to overrun you on its next turn, so if it's seeking to maximize its advantage in terms of game state, it'll never stop creating tokens.

[drdev]

Sometimes if I win, my game doesn't move on.
Instead of a new match, nothing happens. I can't do anything, not even with the developer tools :S

The next time this happens, could you maybe take a screenshot of the game state? That would help with attempting to reproduce and fix the issue. Thanks.

[chieuduong]

Game freezes on planeswalk : I ran into this issue twice today.

ClassCastException | Open

Code: Select all

Forge Version:    1.5.29-r28053Mu (mixed revisions detected; please update from the root directory)
Operating System: Windows 7 6.1 x86
Java Version:     1.8.0_25 Oracle Corporation

java.lang.ClassCastException: forge.game.card.CardCollection cannot be cast to forge.game.card.Card
   at forge.game.trigger.TriggerHandler.runNonStaticTriggersForPlayer(TriggerHandler.java:304)
   at forge.game.trigger.TriggerHandler.runWaitingTrigger(TriggerHandler.java:289)
   at forge.game.trigger.TriggerHandler.runWaitingTriggers(TriggerHandler.java:248)
   at forge.game.zone.MagicStack.unfreezeStack(MagicStack.java:148)
   at forge.game.zone.MagicStack.finishResolving(MagicStack.java:519)
   at forge.game.zone.MagicStack.resolveStack(MagicStack.java:473)
   at forge.game.phase.PhaseHandler.startFirstTurn(PhaseHandler.java:940)
   at forge.game.GameAction.startGame(GameAction.java:1351)
   at forge.game.Match.startGame(Match.java:71)
   at forge.match.MatchUtil$2.run(MatchUtil.java:200)
   at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(Unknown Source)
   at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)


Additionally, Chandra, the Firebrand -2 (copy instant/sorcery on stack) also freezes the game. This issue only happens in .29, when I switched back to .28 it works fine. I ran into this problem ever since I tried the Forge version on krazy the fox's site

[Sloth]

The following bugs have been fixed:

With this version, every time I try to start a Vanguard game, I get an exception. This occurs before any in-game prompts and before libraries are populated. I've confirmed it occurs even with a simple test deck of nothing but Dryad Arbor and Serra. If I press Continue, the game does not proceed, no cards are in the game, and the only prompt is "Game Setup" with OK and Cancel buttons that do nothing.

There is still a problem with the AI casting Jeskai Charm to target a creature that was killed on a previous turn and so is no longer in play.

Game freezes on planeswalk : I ran into this issue twice today.

Additionally, Chandra, the Firebrand -2 (copy instant/sorcery on stack) also freezes the game. This issue only happens in .29, when I switched back to .28 it works fine. I ran into this problem ever since I tried the Forge version on krazy the fox's site

Thanks Nekoatl, slo-moe and chieuduong.

[Nordos]

The next time this happens, could you maybe take a screenshot of the game state? That would help with attempting to reproduce and fix the issue. Thanks.

Its still the original build, though. I have not yet deployed the snapshot

[gos]

. Reflecting Pool doesn't take Command Tower into account.