Library Grinder BU
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Library Grinder BU
by Resonantg » 19 Dec 2009, 18:10
No witty name this time, but the deck works pretty darn good. We love Library destruction here. I particularly like the card Mind Funeral. I've actually seen it do a 40 card discard out of a 60 card deck. That was fun. This is the first deck I've gone into the multi colored cards heavy.
1 Black Lotus
2 Gilded Lotus
4 Howling Mine
4 Millstone
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
5 Island
5 Swamp
4 Underground Sea
4 Sunken Ruins
4 Lurking Informant
4 Nemesis of Reason
3 Dimir Cutpurse
1 Jace Beleren
1 Liliana Vess
4 Memory Erosion
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Glimpse the Unthinkable
2 Haunting Echoes
4 Lobotomy
4 Mind Funeral
4 Tome Scour
2 Traumatize
1 Black Lotus
2 Gilded Lotus
4 Howling Mine
4 Millstone
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Sol Ring
5 Island
5 Swamp
4 Underground Sea
4 Sunken Ruins
4 Lurking Informant
4 Nemesis of Reason
3 Dimir Cutpurse
1 Jace Beleren
1 Liliana Vess
4 Memory Erosion
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Glimpse the Unthinkable
2 Haunting Echoes
4 Lobotomy
4 Mind Funeral
4 Tome Scour
2 Traumatize
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by zerker2000 » 20 Dec 2009, 04:59
Mind Funeral is given unfair advantage against an AI whose land stacking has been ground off the top of the library. Main point: do not cast it too early .
O forest, hold thy wand'ring son
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by Resonantg » 20 Dec 2009, 17:26
True. I've been burned that way before. But that 40 card grind was a turn 1 play. Got lucky with a pair of moxes and land out. So you're right, but you never know.
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by zerker2000 » 20 Dec 2009, 20:38
Ah, so you test your decks without AI land stacking?
O forest, hold thy wand'ring son
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by DennisBergkamp » 21 Dec 2009, 03:24
Land stacking is an option that will make the library of the AI look like this:
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
land card
land card
land card
land card
land card
non-land card
land card
non-land card
non-land card
land card
...
rest of non-land cards
...
rest of land cards
So without some way of shuffling the AIs library, the AI will only draw 7 land cards... Unless the game lasts till there's only ~13 or so cards left. But it's a big advantage for the AI, since it gets to draw a lot of spells and usually just enough land cards.
And actually yes, a turn one Mind Funeral would be the worst result aimed at an AI's land stacked deck (since the next 5 cards are lands).
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
non-land card
land card
land card
land card
land card
land card
non-land card
land card
non-land card
non-land card
land card
...
rest of non-land cards
...
rest of land cards
So without some way of shuffling the AIs library, the AI will only draw 7 land cards... Unless the game lasts till there's only ~13 or so cards left. But it's a big advantage for the AI, since it gets to draw a lot of spells and usually just enough land cards.
And actually yes, a turn one Mind Funeral would be the worst result aimed at an AI's land stacked deck (since the next 5 cards are lands).
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by zerker2000 » 21 Dec 2009, 06:59
However a turn one Tome Scour followed by turn 2 Mind Funeral is epic (That IS a ~40 mill).
EDIT:Even nastier: turn 1 Glimpse the Unthinkable, develop field while computer helpless, Mind Funeral, NOW you start milling.
EDIT:Even nastier: turn 1 Glimpse the Unthinkable, develop field while computer helpless, Mind Funeral, NOW you start milling.
O forest, hold thy wand'ring son
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by Resonantg » 21 Dec 2009, 14:32
So this is a vote of "Woot!" for this deck huh?
And yes, I've done the turn 1 double Tome Scour and turn 2 Mind Funeral.
And yes, I've done the turn 1 double Tome Scour and turn 2 Mind Funeral.
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by zerker2000 » 21 Dec 2009, 21:58
With stacking? If so, why double ?
O forest, hold thy wand'ring son
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
Though fears assail the door.
O foliage, cloak thy ravaged one
In vestments cut for war.
--Eladamri, the Seed of Freyalise
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Re: Library Grinder BU
by Resonantg » 22 Dec 2009, 02:15
Cause I could at the time.
Been testing it against decks I've made with mixed results after stacking was turned off. My "AntMob" deck I'm working on is turning out to be very vicious.
Nothing like a Scute Mob, Ant Queen, Carrion Ants set with ways to push out more land through Kodama's Reach and the Sakura Tribe Elder... Whooo boy... it can fly. Nothing like generating 3 insect tokens and then attacking with a 5/5 Ant Queen in turn 3 to wreck someone's day.
Been testing it against decks I've made with mixed results after stacking was turned off. My "AntMob" deck I'm working on is turning out to be very vicious.
Nothing like a Scute Mob, Ant Queen, Carrion Ants set with ways to push out more land through Kodama's Reach and the Sakura Tribe Elder... Whooo boy... it can fly. Nothing like generating 3 insect tokens and then attacking with a 5/5 Ant Queen in turn 3 to wreck someone's day.
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