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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Sloth » 23 Aug 2012, 08:41

Nordos wrote:maybe add one Boundless Realms to Dr Watson 3?
Boundless Realms is in Dr Watson 2 and not in Dr Watson 3 because it's a "win more" card in this deck (if the effect is worth seven mana, you are probably winning anyway).
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Nordos » 23 Aug 2012, 12:46

hm. I guess.
Anyway, I have an idea regarding
Bela Lugosi 3: Maybe adding some Bloodline Keeper 's
Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 4: replace the 4 forest with 4 Savannah ; add Phyrexian Unlife -> having both Phyrexian Unlife and the outcast in play, you can't loose the game via life loose.

Just some small ideas I came across
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby moomarc » 23 Aug 2012, 15:18

Sloth wrote:
Nordos wrote:maybe add one Boundless Realms to Dr Watson 3?
Boundless Realms is in Dr Watson 2 and not in Dr Watson 3 because it's a "win more" card in this deck (if the effect is worth seven mana, you are probably winning anyway).
Sometimes the AI needs "win more" cards to win. I think this might be one of those cases because for one lost slot it can double it's creature output and ensure the win. (Just my 2 cents though. Deckbuilding = not my strong point.)
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Sloth » 23 Aug 2012, 19:59

Nordos wrote:Anyway, I have an idea regarding
Bela Lugosi 3: Maybe adding some Bloodline Keeper 's
Yup, here's the new list:
Bela Lugosi 3 | Open
[duel]
[metadata]
Name=Bela Lugosi 3
Title=Bela Lugosi
Difficulty=hard
Description=Mono B Vampire Aggro deck
Icon=Bela Lugosi.jpg
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
22 Swamp|M12
1 Mox Jet
2 Anowon, the Ruin Sage
1 Ascendant Evincar
2 Bloodghast
4 Bloodline Keeper
1 Child of Night
3 Gatekeeper of Malakir
1 Guul Draz Assassin
1 Guul Draz Vampire
4 Kalastria Highborn
4 Malakir Bloodwitch
1 Mirri the Cursed
1 Ruthless Cullblade
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Vampire Nocturnus
4 Go for the Throat
[sideboard]

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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Sloth » 23 Aug 2012, 20:14

moomarc wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Nordos wrote:maybe add one Boundless Realms to Dr Watson 3?
Boundless Realms is in Dr Watson 2 and not in Dr Watson 3 because it's a "win more" card in this deck (if the effect is worth seven mana, you are probably winning anyway).
Sometimes the AI needs "win more" cards to win. I think this might be one of those cases because for one lost slot it can double it's creature output and ensure the win. (Just my 2 cents though. Deckbuilding = not my strong point.)
I've tested Dr Watson 3 a bit more and i think the power level is high enough to replace one Primeval Titan with Boundless Realms, since you seem to like Boundless Realms so much. :D
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Sloth » 23 Aug 2012, 21:00

Nordos wrote:Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 4: replace the 4 forest with 4 Savannah ; add Phyrexian Unlife -> having both Phyrexian Unlife and the outcast in play, you can't loose the game via life loose.
Nice combo. I've added one Phyrexian Unlife and 3 Savannahs (it's hard to find more room ):
Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 4 | Open
[duel]
[metadata]
Name=Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 4
Title=Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Difficulty=very hard
Description=WG persist combo deck with Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Icon=Apu Nahasapeemapetilon.jpg
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Arid Mesa
4 Taiga
3 Copperline Gorge
3 Savannah
2 Forest|ISD
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
4 Time of Need
4 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
1 Heartmender
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Safehold Elite
4 Murderous Redcap
3 Blasting Station
4 Goblin Bombardment
4 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Naturalize
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Phyrexian Unlife
[sideboard]
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Nordos » 23 Aug 2012, 21:11

well. one option would be reducing the Bloodbraid Elf count.
The lightning bolds are used against special creatures, right? So, their use is limited (as soon as you have phyrexian unlife and the outcast, you don't care for normal creatures. Same is true for having the outcast and a persist creature).
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Sloth » 24 Aug 2012, 09:31

Nordos wrote:well. one option would be reducing the Bloodbraid Elf count.
The lightning bolds are used against special creatures, right? So, their use is limited (as soon as you have phyrexian unlife and the outcast, you don't care for normal creatures. Same is true for having the outcast and a persist creature).
Bloodbraid Elf is so good because it virtually raises the number of combo pieces in your deck. In testing i found out though, that the decks has too many lands, so i cut another Copperline Gorge for a second Phyrexian Unlife.

Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 4 | Open
[duel]
[metadata]
Name=Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 4
Title=Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
Difficulty=very hard
Description=WG persist combo deck with Melira, Sylvok Outcast
Icon=Apu Nahasapeemapetilon.jpg
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Arid Mesa
4 Taiga
2 Copperline Gorge
3 Savannah
2 Forest|ISD
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
4 Time of Need
4 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
1 Heartmender
4 Kitchen Finks
4 Safehold Elite
4 Murderous Redcap
3 Blasting Station
4 Goblin Bombardment
4 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Naturalize
2 Lightning Bolt
2 Phyrexian Unlife
[sideboard]
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Nordos » 30 Aug 2012, 09:34

I really like the card Call to the Kindred, thus I thought about in which decks this one could fit.
One would be the WUBGR Sliver deck. Since it is 5-coloured anyway, Call to the Kindred seems to fit pretty good, especially since one additional sliver each turn can improve the army a LOT.
Another one would be a black-blue Zombie deck - does this one even exist? I never came across one, as far as I remember anyway :P

Just a suggestion I came up with after thinking a bit over Call to the Kindred. Its a pretty good card for theme decks, and actually, I could even imagine a new deck around it. Let me see if it gets strong enough...
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby timmermac » 01 Sep 2012, 15:09

Nordos wrote:I really like the card Call to the Kindred, thus I thought about in which decks this one could fit.
One would be the WUBGR Sliver deck. Since it is 5-coloured anyway, Call to the Kindred seems to fit pretty good, especially since one additional sliver each turn can improve the army a LOT.
Another one would be a black-blue Zombie deck - does this one even exist? I never came across one, as far as I remember anyway :P

Just a suggestion I came up with after thinking a bit over Call to the Kindred. Its a pretty good card for theme decks, and actually, I could even imagine a new deck around it. Let me see if it gets strong enough...
An extra addition to that would be Hivestone.
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Nordos » 01 Sep 2012, 15:13

The Problem with Hivestone is, that it only changes the creature type on the battlefield.
If you have a sliver deck, it doesn't matter if you have Hivestone or not, since you play either changelings or (which is far better) other slivers. You don't need to have an additional sliver as creature type since in a sliver deck, every creature is a sliver.
Or do I misunderstand Hivestone?
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Sloth » 01 Sep 2012, 20:01

Nordos wrote:I really like the card Call to the Kindred, thus I thought about in which decks this one could fit.
One would be the WUBGR Sliver deck. Since it is 5-coloured anyway, Call to the Kindred seems to fit pretty good, especially since one additional sliver each turn can improve the army a LOT.
I've modified the WUBRG Sliver deck:
Cyclops 3 | Open
[duel]
[metadata]
Name=Cyclops 3
Title=Cyclops
Difficulty=hard
Description=WUBRG Sliver deck
Icon=Cyclops.jpg
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
1 Underground Sea
1 Plateau
1 Taiga
1 Tundra
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Ancient Ziggurat
1 Windswept Heath
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Call to the Kindred
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Descendants' Path
1 Muscle Sliver
1 Horned Sliver
1 Hunter Sliver
1 Frenzy Sliver
1 Blade Sliver
1 Watcher Sliver
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Fury Sliver
1 Heart Sliver
3 Metallic Sliver
1 Screeching Sliver
1 Synchronous Sliver
2 Winged Sliver
1 Plated Sliver
1 Might Sliver
1 Battering Sliver
4 Gemhide Sliver
1 Bonesplitter Sliver
1 Sinew Sliver
1 Essence Sliver
1 Reflex Sliver
1 Brood Sliver
1 Clot Sliver
1 Crystalline Sliver
1 Lymph Sliver
1 Sidewinder Sliver
1 Sliver Legion
[sideboard]

In addition to Call to the Kindred, i've added some more goodies like Descendants' Path, Ancient Ziggurat, Hunter Sliver and Harmonic Sliver for Naturalize, Concentrate and Breath of Life.


Nordos wrote:Another one would be a black-blue Zombie deck - does this one even exist? I never came across one, as far as I remember anyway :P
Yes we don't have black-blue Zombie deck yet. Diregraf Captain is a sad panda.
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Nordos » 01 Sep 2012, 20:55

Hm, how about a graveyard-themed B U Zombie deck with Forbidden Alchemy, some self-milling zombies, Havengul Lich, Zombie Apocalypse and Unbreathing Horde?
Including Havengul Runebinder, Cementary Reaper and some Zombies who need to exile creature cards....
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby Sloth » 01 Sep 2012, 21:24

Nordos wrote:Hm, how about a graveyard-themed B U Zombie deck with Forbidden Alchemy, some self-milling zombies, Havengul Lich, Zombie Apocalypse and Unbreathing Horde?
Including Havengul Runebinder, Cementary Reaper and some Zombies who need to exile creature cards....
Sounds very promising to me. :D
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Re: Quest decks revamp

Postby friarsol » 01 Sep 2012, 22:05

Nordos wrote:Hm, how about a graveyard-themed B U Zombie deck with Forbidden Alchemy, some self-milling zombies, Havengul Lich, Zombie Apocalypse and Unbreathing Horde?
Including Havengul Runebinder, Cementary Reaper and some Zombies who need to exile creature cards....
If you splash in Red you can use Lord of Tresserhorn (if the AI knows how to use it)
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