Multikicker bug.

[taron]

Probably not high on the list of priorities, however I randomly noticed this during the night and thought I would make mention of it, and my suspicions as to why it's happening.

If you have the mana to pay for multikicker, on something that will not automatically tap, and you tell it to kick it again, then cancel it out, it will fully refund all your mana, then if you cast it again and kick to the same stage but don't kick it, then it comes into play with 2x the charge counters (this is the extreme short of it, I did test it to the longer extremes, and I had an everflowing chalice tapping for 326 mana).

As to my theory on why this happens:
Multikicker is designed to flag the card in the games memory, and adds +1 to the flag. Problem is, when you cancel the spell cast for example, it doesn't wipe out the flags, hence full mana refund on the cancel and the ability to continuously add to the flags.

Tested on both Everflowing Chalice and Joraga warcaller.

Additional note: Flags do not clear between phases. Tried it with a warcaller, hit it up massively Main phase 1. Main phase 2 summoned it with 68 counters.

[purplepixie]

The Cancel option is, quite simply, broken. (Bet I'm the first guy to ever say that about Cancel )
Don't use it if you possibly can, I can give you any number of bugs with it ....

Cancelling a buyback spell after opting to pay buyback can increase the cost of all spells you play by the buyback cost.
Cancelling almost *any* activated ability will still tap the permanent and pay any costs you paid so far.
Cancelling a copied spell off of Isochron Scepter will put the copy into your hand.

Simply - don't use cancel, the cards usually aren't coded to handle it

[taron]

Fair enough, thought I'd bring it up, I hadn't been intending to use it, but was watching a TV show and hit enter one too many times on multikicker

[jatill]

I have the multikicker bug fixed for the next release. There's no reason we can't fix most or all of the cancel issues.

[taron]

Cool.

Was it as simple as I guessed? That it just didn't clear the history of the kickers if you cancelled it?

[jatill]

Cool.

Was it as simple as I guessed? That it just didn't clear the history of the kickers if you cancelled it?

Yup

[purplepixie]

Sorry Jatill - hope my comments didn't sound like "They're badly written, it's a lost cause"
You know this is some awesome work and everyone has the utmost respect for what's been done.

Right, back to Rise ...