Community Wad

[RiiakShiNal]

It should be noted that Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger will not trigger if land is auto-tapped for mana it can only trigger if the land is manually-tapped for mana.

[Xander9009]

It should be noted that Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger will not trigger if land is auto-tapped for mana it can only trigger if the land is manually-tapped for mana.

Yeah. I should have said that; my bad. I noticed that in my testing and was vaguely annoyed for the billionth time the real developers of the game left in broken pieces that taunt us like WAS_TAPPED_FOR_MANA. This mostly affects playing against the AI who virtually never manually taps mana unless it's the only option. I considered making it so if a land is tapped and it's controlled by an AI, just grant the mana/tapandhold whether it's definitely a mana ability or not. Or at least for basic land, since the VAST majority of the time, it would be the right thing to do. Haven't decided one way or the other, yet.

[RiiakShiNal]

Though if you do that then effects that tap land not for mana would still make it take effect erroneously.

[Xander9009]

Though if you do that then effects that tap land not for mana would still make it take effect erroneously.

Exactly why I'm torn and why I'm considering only applying it to basic lands. For basic lands, at least, they'll only have an extra ability if they were given it by something else, which is pretty rare for lands. And a mana ability can't be countered or responded to but can always respond to other abilities, so even if something does choose to tap the land, the AI would still have the option[/] of tapping it for mana, so they'd end up with one less mana than they rightfully should have.

The only thing that I can think of that would be [i]really off is something like Liege of the Tangle turning all your lands into creatures, then attacking with them would give you a bunch of mana. But I can also check that they're not creatures. I know the card can't work properly. I just can't decide which limitations are the best.

[RiiakShiNal]

Exactly why I'm torn and why I'm considering only applying it to basic lands. For basic lands, at least, they'll only have an extra ability if they were given it by something else, which is pretty rare for lands. And a mana ability can't be countered or responded to but can always respond to other abilities, so even if something does choose to tap the land, the AI would still have the option[/] of tapping it for mana, so they'd end up with one less mana than they rightfully should have.

The only thing that I can think of that would be [i]really off is something like Liege of the Tangle turning all your lands into creatures, then attacking with them would give you a bunch of mana. But I can also check that they're not creatures. I know the card can't work properly. I just can't decide which limitations are the best.

There are also things like Life and Limb, Bend or Break, Chimeric Idol, Mana Web, Gulf Squid, Mistbind Clique, and Nature's Will just to name a few.

[MasterXploder7]

Please put Vorinclex in the community wad. Its like a piece of candy being dangled in front of me like a child going into a big white van with the words "free candy" on it....

[Xander9009]

There are also things like Life and Limb, Bend or Break, Chimeric Idol, Mana Web, Gulf Squid, Mistbind Clique, and Nature's Will just to name a few.

For Life and Limb, if I turn it off if the trigger object is a creature (or anything other than only a land), then it would work while it's a land and revert to its current state of doing nothing if it's anything else. So that wouldn't be an issue.

For the others, I technically have the option of tapping my lands for mana then. For Mana Web it even points it out in its rulings. They would just be getting half as much as they should.

I mean, as it stands now, about 50% of the time, it's working 95% like it should be (when I'm the one tapping mana). With this approach, about 85% of the time, it would be working 90% like it should be. Still not a great solution, but probably the best one I can think of.

The cards I'm most worried about are one's that give your lands the ability to tap for other colors of mana. I can check if they're enchanted, and turn it off then. But for something like Chromatic Lantern it gets tricky. Then their basic lands would still usually be autotapped, but they might also be manually tapped. So I'd have to make sure it doesn't double-fire (which if Vorinclex is controlled by you actually wouldn't matter, but it would if they controlled Vorinclex).

And with that, I'm off to bed If you still think it's a bad idea, I'll probably just leave it like it is. You certainly know more than I do about mana functions and what will work with them haha.


OH! Wow... I DID just say I was going to bed, so that'll be my excuse. I just realized you were saying the problem would be the basic lands tapping either for mana while a creature or not for mana while not a creature when controlled by Vorinclex's opponent.

In that case, would it be possible to respond to any spells or abilities about to resolve and turn the ability off, then turn it on again immediately after it does without leaving too big of a window or creating too much lag? If so, then any spells or abilities that tap opponents' lands wouldn't tap and hold. (For the being a creature and tapping for mana, oh well. Not much I can do about that unless it's manually tapped. )

Please put Vorinclex in the community wad. Its like a piece of candy being dangled in front of me like a child going into a big white van with the words "free candy" on it....

It's already in there. I'm just discussing whether or not I should try and get it a bit closer to properly working.

EDIT: Almost forgot about Geth, Lord of the Vault. Done now. Untested. I'm done for the night, so I've forced the core to pack early, and it should be up now with Geth and all the others. Notice that the Version file now contains a changelog. It's basic, but it's there.

[MasterXploder7]

hey! i just checked the community wad thing and there isnt a art wad, only a text version that reads "66"

[Xander9009]

hey! i just checked the community wad thing and there isnt a art wad, only a text version that reads "66"

You can keep your current art wad until it's done packing. It just started. It'll only take about 10 minutes to pack, but it takes forever to upload.

The art wad only had, like, 1 new image added: some new token created by a Commander 2014 card. So, I wouldn't even bother updating to it just yet.

(Keep in mind that the art wad is massive because it's already mostly complete. We don't have to add a card's image when we make the card, the image is virtually always already in there. So if you're worried about Vorinclex not having a picture, no worries; the wad you have already has Vorinclex.)

[RiiakShiNal]

In that case, would it be possible to respond to any spells or abilities about to resolve and turn the ability off, then turn it on again immediately after it does without leaving too big of a window or creating too much lag? If so, then any spells or abilities that tap opponents' lands wouldn't tap and hold. (For the being a creature and tapping for mana, oh well. Not much I can do about that unless it's manually tapped. )

The problem with that is that they can tap for mana (and can even cast spells/use abilities) while an ability is on the stack and has not yet resolved (counter spells, spells/abilities used in response, etc...).

[Xander9009]

In that case, would it be possible to respond to any spells or abilities about to resolve and turn the ability off, then turn it on again immediately after it does without leaving too big of a window or creating too much lag? If so, then any spells or abilities that tap opponents' lands wouldn't tap and hold. (For the being a creature and tapping for mana, oh well. Not much I can do about that unless it's manually tapped. )

The problem with that is that they can tap for mana (and can even cast spells/use abilities) while an ability is on the stack and has not yet resolved (counter spells, spells/abilities used in response, etc...).

Yep, that's why I said without leaving too big a window. If it could deactivate not when the ability is triggered/activated, but rather only as a result of its resolution, but before it has actually resolved, and then reactivate as a result of it resolving, then there'd only be a very short window wherein the player wouldn't have a chance to do anything anyway. I don't know if I'm conveying what I'm thinking very well. What I'm thinking would definitely fix the problem, I just don't think it can actually be done. Which leaves me at: Vorinclex stays as is. Not the best, but at better than nothing. Thanks.

[lilqi]

i just tried to recreate my alltime favourite "Mutilation" Deck from the Torment Block, but couldn't find a lot of necessary cards when only using the CW...

I was able to find the following cards:
"CORRUPT_350600"
"DIABOLIC_TUTOR_369523"
"INNOCENT_BLOOD_348936"
"MUTILATE_348950"
"SPREADING_PLAGUE_23057"
"TAINTED_AETHER_1947025643"

To complete the deck i would need the following additional cards:

Cabal Coffers
Exsanguinate
Chainer's Edict
Phyrexian Arena
Liliana Vess (with +1 discard)
Haunting Echoes

Could you include these too?

[Xander9009]

i just tried to recreate my alltime favourite "Mutilation" Deck from the Torment Block, but couldn't find a lot of necessary cards when only using the CW...

I was able to find the following cards:
"CORRUPT_350600"
"DIABOLIC_TUTOR_369523"
"INNOCENT_BLOOD_348936"
"MUTILATE_348950"
"SPREADING_PLAGUE_23057"
"TAINTED_AETHER_1947025643"

To complete the deck i would need the following additional cards:

Cabal Coffers
Exsanguinate
Chainer's Edict
Phyrexian Arena
Liliana Vess (with +1 discard)
Haunting Echoes

Could you include these too?

This is much better off in the Formal Request Thread. However, yes, I'll try and code these later today.

[lilqi]

Thank you, these cards were available when using the individual mods, therefore i posted the request rather here, because i thought of it as more of a CW mod issue, sry for that.

[Xander9009]

Thank you, these cards were available when using the individual mods, therefore i posted the request rather here, because i thought of it as more of a CW mod issue, sry for that.

No need to be sorry See, those cards weren't included because they were made by BloodReyvyn and Grovyle. I never got a reply from them, so their cards weren't included. However, if it's in the Formal Request Thread, then it doesn't actually matter who codes the card. Everything there is expected to be poached, and I could add it to the CW without feeling guilty about stealing someone's work. So, if it's asked for here, it's almost certain I'll be the one coding it (I don't know if migookman checks this thread, but if so, there's a small chance he'd do it, too). If you say in the FRT that it's for the CW, I'll still probably be the one coding it, but there's also a chance someone else will see it and code it.

In other words, it doesn't really matter, it's just that if it's requested in the request thread, there's less pressure on me. (Although, not by much, since it appears Riiak and I are the only experienced coders still around at the moment. Everyone else seems to have lost interest until 2015 can be modded. Although, Neo might just be busy. I don't know.)

Cabal Coffers
Exsanguinate
Chainer's Edict
Phyrexian Arena
These ones have been added (won't appear until it repacks tonight). They haven't been tested. Please let me know if they have problems.

Liliana Vess (with +1 discard)
Haunting Echoes
These two are already in there:
LILIANA_VESS_CW_205961
HAUNTING_ECHOES_CW_29956