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Formal Request Thread
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by NeoAnderson » 07 Jan 2014, 16:31
Riiak i just read this post, last days i made a card Dominating Licid it was my first test about turning a creature into an enchantment aura.RiiakShiNal wrote:No one has figured out how to code Bestow yet, as technically Bestow is an alternate cost, but trying to change a creature spell into an aura posses problems with targeting and attaching. Several people have worked on it, but as of yet no working approximation exists.
Using what i learned i tried to make a working version of Bestow.
I read some posts and i see that also TheFireMind as worked on this Ability, now i made this version but i would be sure that all the MTG rules are respected, so please my skilled friends take a look make some tests and let me know if something is missing.
I choose a random card with this ability : Celestial Archon from Theros set
Here you can find my approximation, let me know what you think and if it is an acceptable solution. PLEASE BE INFORMED THIS VERSION IS ABLE TO TARGET ALSO CREATURE WITH SHROUD AND PROTECTION, I MADE REVISED VERSION TO FIX THIS ISSUE.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by MC Brodie » 07 Jan 2014, 16:50
Bestow should target the creature so you shouldn't be able to Bestow on something with shroud or protection. It should also trigger things like heroic.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by NeoAnderson » 07 Jan 2014, 18:04
The main problem is i am not able to use Target block into Additional cost.MC Brodie wrote:Bestow should target the creature so you shouldn't be able to Bestow on something with shroud or protection. It should also trigger things like heroic.
Anyway i made a modify to avoid the targetting of creature with shroud, and also protection.
Please check this version and let me know what you think.
- Celestial Archon Revised | Open
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by MC Brodie » 07 Jan 2014, 18:44
I know that's the problem. Personally I'm not a fan of this approach. There are a number of cards that care if they are targeted. Even ones available in the core game like most of the illusions creatures or Gaea's Revenge. In most cases it's an ok approximation and if someone wants to play a bestow creature bad enough it could work. Though they should be aware of the limitations and know they can't make a bestow/heroic deck or kill an opponents Phantasmal Image by bestowing it.NeoAnderson wrote:The main problem is i am not able to use Target block into Additional cost.MC Brodie wrote:Bestow should target the creature so you shouldn't be able to Bestow on something with shroud or protection. It should also trigger things like heroic.
Anyway i made a modify to avoid the targetting of creature with shroud, and also protection.
Please check this version and let me know what you think.
- Celestial Archon Revised | Open
For cases like these I've seen other forum members suggest coming up with a custom ability/card that behaves like the original but can be coded within the engine limitations
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by warum » 07 Jan 2014, 20:03
I'd second this one. It's an interesting deck.Deadpoolmtg wrote:Hi guys, i need these two cards to make the deck Jund Depths, winner of SCG Open Legacy(1/5/2014) .
Thespian's Stage
Dark Depths (i'm realy surprised to not see this card in any WAD)
Re: Formal Request Thread
by NeoAnderson » 07 Jan 2014, 22:50
If we accept few compromises, i think we can get something closer to the real mechanics of this ability.MC Brodie wrote:I know that's the problem. Personally I'm not a fan of this approach. There are a number of cards that care if they are targeted. Even ones available in the core game like most of the illusions creatures or Gaea's Revenge. In most cases it's an ok approximation and if someone wants to play a bestow creature bad enough it could work. Though they should be aware of the limitations and know they can't make a bestow/heroic deck or kill an opponents Phantasmal Image by bestowing it.For cases like these I've seen other forum members suggest coming up with a custom ability/card that behaves like the original but can be coded within the engine limitationsNeoAnderson wrote:The main problem is i am not able to use Target block into Additional cost.MC Brodie wrote:Bestow should target the creature so you shouldn't be able to Bestow on something with shroud or protection. It should also trigger things like heroic.
Anyway i made a modify to avoid the targetting of creature with shroud, and also protection.
Please check this version and let me know what you think.
- Celestial Archon Revised | Open
I have rewrote the card, now :
1. It can't target cards with shroud.
2. It can't target cards with protection.
3. It can't taeget cards who are protected by targetting, like Gaea's Revenge.
4. If target cards like Illusions cards they will trigger and resolve their effects.
Probably the only thing we cannot resolve is that we can play Bestow also if there are not all suitable targets, but the targetting will be skipped and the card will be cast as a enchantment creature as normal cast.
I think this is a reasonable approximation, please let me know your opinions.
- Celestial Archon REVISED 2.0 | Open
2. I have a question about the alternate costs, when we play an altenate cost, it is displayed a multiple choice where the first answer is the normal casting cost, the second one is the alternate cost. How can we add a Tag for the second answer? I mean the first answer is displayed also with casting cost, the second one just display "[]". Someone know how and where can i add a tag="CARD_QUERY_....." to display custom text?
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by drleg3nd » 08 Jan 2014, 01:11
sorry to be a bother but just wanna repost on my request of Tyrant of Discord. thx
also Kudos Neo for making bestow, when i get home i'll try it and let ya know...now if we can just get those fuse cards....
also Kudos Neo for making bestow, when i get home i'll try it and let ya know...now if we can just get those fuse cards....
Re: Formal Request Thread
by NeoAnderson » 08 Jan 2014, 02:35
I just coded it, i made few quick test so please test it again and let me know if is ok.drleg3nd wrote:sorry to be a bother but just wanna repost on my request of Tyrant of Discord. thx
also Kudos Neo for making bestow, when i get home i'll try it and let ya know...now if we can just get those fuse cards....
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by drleg3nd » 08 Jan 2014, 03:33
Thanks Neo for your help, i have not tried Celestial Archon Yet but i attempted to make Boon Satyr off your code since i wanted that card for one of my decks, let me know if it is correct.NeoAnderson wrote:I just coded it, i made few quick test so please test it again and let me know if is ok.drleg3nd wrote:sorry to be a bother but just wanna repost on my request of Tyrant of Discord. thx
also Kudos Neo for making bestow, when i get home i'll try it and let ya know...now if we can just get those fuse cards....
Re: Formal Request Thread
by NeoAnderson » 08 Jan 2014, 04:13
This card is really similar to the one i made, so i think it should work without any problems. I haven't code other cards with Bestow because i was waiting also for the opinion of our skilled friends, like Riiak, TheFireMind and Sumomole, they can tell better if this approximation can be acceptable. Anyway you can make some tests and let me know if you find something wrong.drleg3nd wrote:Thanks Neo for your help, i have not tried Celestial Archon Yet but i attempted to make Boon Satyr off your code since i wanted that card for one of my decks, let me know if it is correct.NeoAnderson wrote:I just coded it, i made few quick test so please test it again and let me know if is ok.drleg3nd wrote:sorry to be a bother but just wanna repost on my request of Tyrant of Discord. thx
also Kudos Neo for making bestow, when i get home i'll try it and let ya know...now if we can just get those fuse cards....
UPDATE : I just realized i have read wrong the card Tyrant of Discord i made it reapeating when sacrifice land cards, but should be the inverse. sorry for the mistake. please download this modified version
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by thefiremind » 08 Jan 2014, 10:41
You can check your card against the rules you find here:NeoAnderson wrote:I haven't code other cards with Bestow because i was waiting also for the opinion of our skilled friends, like Riiak, TheFireMind and Sumomole, they can tell better if this approximation can be acceptable.
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Bestow
and see how much rule-compliant it is.
As far as I can understand from the code, you are transforming the Aura into a creature if the parent leaves the battlefield. Unfortunately, I think that the "becomes unattached" also includes the scenario where the parent gains protection from the Aura's color. I might be wrong, though.
And they say that they regret having made such a complicated mechanic as suspend... according to me, bestow is much harder to understand, once you get out of the basic interactions.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by NeoAnderson » 08 Jan 2014, 12:59
Ok i have read the rules and i think you're right, i haven't considered that an aura can be detached by other effect that doesn't complains to remove from battlefield the parent. Anyway i think we can duplicate a trigger adding the condition TRIGGER_UNATTACHED_FROM_CREATURE, what you think?thefiremind wrote:You can check your card against the rules you find here:NeoAnderson wrote:I haven't code other cards with Bestow because i was waiting also for the opinion of our skilled friends, like Riiak, TheFireMind and Sumomole, they can tell better if this approximation can be acceptable.
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Bestow
and see how much rule-compliant it is.
As far as I can understand from the code, you are transforming the Aura into a creature if the parent leaves the battlefield. Unfortunately, I think that the "becomes unattached" also includes the scenario where the parent gains protection from the Aura's color. I might be wrong, though.
And they say that they regret having made such a complicated mechanic as suspend... according to me, bestow is much harder to understand, once you get out of the basic interactions.
About the concept of my Bestow approximation is the follow :
1. When you cast using Bestow cost the card check for suitable targets (unfortunately i can't use target block into alternative cost, so the target checking is limitated, card's with protection from targetting are considered legal target during this step)
To check the suitable target i turn it into an aura spell and check with CanAttachTo, this effect should end when it is launched into the stack.
2. Into the stack we select the real target and here we understand if there are suitable targets, if yes it is turned into an Aura spell and is attached to that creature, if there are no suitable targets, it resolves as a creature spell.
3. As you said once it is attached it turns back to a creature when the parent card will leave the battlefield.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by neuro » 08 Jan 2014, 14:18
Hi everyone,
I have been reading this forum for 1 month and thanks to you I can create my own decks to play itYou guys do wonderfull job.
My first post to forum is for request which is not nice but these are 2 humble (i think easy to implement and not buggable) requests for my boros deck.
Brute Force, Stun Sniper.
I could not find any deck containing these cards.
Thanks everyone.
I have been reading this forum for 1 month and thanks to you I can create my own decks to play itYou guys do wonderfull job.
My first post to forum is for request which is not nice but these are 2 humble (i think easy to implement and not buggable) requests for my boros deck.
Brute Force, Stun Sniper.
I could not find any deck containing these cards.
Thanks everyone.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 08 Jan 2014, 14:59
These are both good cards to learn how to make your own cards:neuro wrote:Hi everyone,
I have been reading this forum for 1 month and thanks to you I can create my own decks to play itYou guys do wonderfull job.
My first post to forum is for request which is not nice but these are 2 humble (i think easy to implement and not buggable) requests for my boros deck.
Brute Force, Stun Sniper.
I could not find any deck containing these cards.
Thanks everyone.
Brute Force is a red Giant Growth (official card).
Stun Sniper requires slightly more work as you can pull most of the ability from Rod of Ruin (official card), but you will need to change the cost to be
instead of 
and remove the SetFilterType() line so that you can only target creatures (not players). "Tap that creature" can be pulled from Stabbing Pain (official card).Just getting started: Xander9009's DotP 2014 Community Wad
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by NeoAnderson » 08 Jan 2014, 15:04
According with TheFireMind pointings, i have revised (again ) Bestow implementation.
Main modifies :
1. Change the restoring of creature status, now it turns back to a creature from aura status if :
A. The parent becomes nil
B. The parent changes zone
C. The parent is simply detached.
D. The parent becomes an illegal target.
E. The parent gains protection from the Aura(type, colour...)
2. The Effect onto parent card ends if :
A. The Aura change zone
B. The Aura is detached.
C. The Aura Becomes nil
D. The parent gains protection from the Aura(type, colour...)
Main code changes :
I have replaced the Trigger ZONECHAGE_CONSIDERED with UNATTACHED_FROM_CREATURE this will include a lot of situations not considered by the first trigger. Unfortunately it doesn't include when the the aura changes zone, so to avoid to keep ZONECHAGE_CONSIDERED trigger i have added a LinkedDC variable to end the aura effect. I also had to add some conditions to the effect duration.
Riiak i would also receive you comments about it hope we can define an acceptable compromise with Bestow.
) Bestow implementation.Main modifies :
1. Change the restoring of creature status, now it turns back to a creature from aura status if :
A. The parent becomes nil
B. The parent changes zone
C. The parent is simply detached.
D. The parent becomes an illegal target.
E. The parent gains protection from the Aura(type, colour...)
2. The Effect onto parent card ends if :
A. The Aura change zone
B. The Aura is detached.
C. The Aura Becomes nil
D. The parent gains protection from the Aura(type, colour...)
Main code changes :
I have replaced the Trigger ZONECHAGE_CONSIDERED with UNATTACHED_FROM_CREATURE this will include a lot of situations not considered by the first trigger. Unfortunately it doesn't include when the the aura changes zone, so to avoid to keep ZONECHAGE_CONSIDERED trigger i have added a LinkedDC variable to end the aura effect. I also had to add some conditions to the effect duration.
- Celestial Archon REV 3.0 | Open
Riiak i would also receive you comments about it hope we can define an acceptable compromise with Bestow.
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