Formal Request Thread

[NeoAnderson]

Nope. It was quite happy to let me play Birds of Paradise.

Birds of Paradise haven't mana restrictions.

[Xander9009]

Nope. It was quite happy to let me play Birds of Paradise.

Birds of Paradise haven't mana restrictions.

Tapped Sliver Hive for . Played Birds of Paradise.

[NeoAnderson]

Nope. It was quite happy to let me play Birds of Paradise.

Birds of Paradise haven't mana restrictions.

Tapped Sliver Hive for . Played Birds of Paradise.

Have you copied the .lol file into function directory?You must be sure that this constant is declared

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NEO_SLIVER_MANA_ACTIVATION = 915383991


So you need to copy the file include into rar, D14_NEO_M15_NEWCONSTANTS.LOL into functions folder.

[Xander9009]

Have you copied the .lol file into function directory?You must be sure that this constant is declared

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NEO_SLIVER_MANA_ACTIVATION = 915383991


Yup. I just put in a DisplayMessage to check, and it was set to that number.

[NeoAnderson]

Have you copied the .lol file into function directory?You must be sure that this constant is declared

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NEO_SLIVER_MANA_ACTIVATION = 915383991


Yup. I just put in a DisplayMessage to check, and it was set to that number.

It is weird i tested it with Blur Sliver. I had Blur Sliver and Brass Man into hand. I tapped Sliver Hive 3 times( i have untapped it with another effect), it produced 3 red mana, Brass man was not selectable, Blur Sliver yes.

[Xander9009]

It is weird i tested it with Blur Sliver. I had Blur Sliver and Brass Man into hand. I tapped Sliver Hive 3 times( i have untapped it with another effect), it produced 3 red mana, Brass man was not selectable, Blur Sliver yes.

After some debugging, I've found that in the continuous action that removes the abilities, everything works fine up until "local token = token_chest:Get_NthCardPtr(i)". 'token' is nil here for some reason.

[NeoAnderson]

It is weird i tested it with Blur Sliver. I had Blur Sliver and Brass Man into hand. I tapped Sliver Hive 3 times( i have untapped it with another effect), it produced 3 red mana, Brass man was not selectable, Blur Sliver yes.

After some debugging, I've found that in the continuous action that removes the abilities, everything works fine up until "local token = token_chest:Get_NthCardPtr(i)". 'token' is nil here for some reason.

At this point i think there is something messed with Riiak functions you have installed.
Try to check if the token chest retrieved with RiiakShiNal function is not nil.
As i told before it works fine for me. Check if this function returns a value RSN_GetProducedTokenChest()

[Xander9009]

It is weird i tested it with Blur Sliver. I had Blur Sliver and Brass Man into hand. I tapped Sliver Hive 3 times( i have untapped it with another effect), it produced 3 red mana, Brass man was not selectable, Blur Sliver yes.

After some debugging, I've found that in the continuous action that removes the abilities, everything works fine up until "local token = token_chest:Get_NthCardPtr(i)". 'token' is nil here for some reason.

At this point i think there is something messed with Riiak functions you have installed.
Try to check if the token chest retrieved with RiiakShiNal function is not nil.
As i told before it works fine for me. Check if this function returns a value RSN_GetProducedTokenChest()

Someone has RSN_OBJECTDCLEGACY and RSN_MANALEGACY in their mods. The CW grabbed those files automatically, and one of the two was screwing stuff up. It's working now.

[NeoAnderson]

Someone has RSN_OBJECTDCLEGACY and RSN_MANALEGACY in their mods. The CW grabbed those files automatically, and one of the two was screwing stuff up. It's working now.

So i am glad you figured which was the issue, now please let me know if it could be an acceptable approximation,

[Xander9009]

Someone has RSN_OBJECTDCLEGACY and RSN_MANALEGACY in their mods. The CW grabbed those files automatically, and one of the two was screwing stuff up. It's working now.

So i am glad you figured which was the issue, now please let me know if it could be an acceptable approximation,

Well, it appears to work with flashback, as well, so that's good. But it's usable by abilities even though it shouldn't be. I mentioned granting the ability when it should be usable instead of removing it when it shouldn't. I think that should fix this issue.

[NeoAnderson]

Well, it appears to work with flashback, as well, so that's good. But it's usable by abilities even though it shouldn't be. I mentioned granting the ability when it should be usable instead of removing it when it shouldn't. I think that should fix this issue.

Are you sure it works with abilities??? Because i produced 5 mana and i tried to use the land ability to produce the token and it was not usable.
And LoseAllAbilities is disabled only when it is considering for cast a Sliver

[Xander9009]

Well, it appears to work with flashback, as well, so that's good. But it's usable by abilities even though it shouldn't be. I mentioned granting the ability when it should be usable instead of removing it when it shouldn't. I think that should fix this issue.

Are you sure it works with abilities??? Because i produced 5 mana and i tried to use the land ability to produce the token and it was not usable.

I tried it with Adventuring Gear. It wouldn't let me cast Adventuring Gear, but it did let me equip it. I tried it again just to be sure.

[NeoAnderson]

Well, it appears to work with flashback, as well, so that's good. But it's usable by abilities even though it shouldn't be. I mentioned granting the ability when it should be usable instead of removing it when it shouldn't. I think that should fix this issue.

Are you sure it works with abilities??? Because i produced 5 mana and i tried to use the land ability to produce the token and it was not usable.

I tried it with Adventuring Gear. It wouldn't let me cast Adventuring Gear, but it did let me equip it. I tried it again just to be sure.

I will better check later, anyway i think i can add a trigger considered for activation just to disable the mana.
UPDATE: I just made a test with Avarice Amulet, i produce 2 mana with Sliver Hive and the equip was not selectable!!
Are you sure you have produced mana with the second ability???
The first one produce colourless mana that can be normally used.

I also made a test with Adventuring Gear and it is not usable for equip!
Here you can see a screenshot :

So as I said before i can simply add a Trigger considered for activation to disable the mana but i would do it just if it is necessary. I would try to keep the code light and clean, so if it works without this additional trigger is better, otherwise i will add it.

[Xander9009]

I will better check later, anyway i think i can add a trigger considered for activation just to disable the mana.
UPDATE: I just made a test with Avarice Amulet, i produce 2 mana with Sliver Hive and the equip was not selectable!!
Are you sure you have produced mana with the second ability???
The first one produce colourless mana that can be normally used.

I also made a test with Adventuring Gear and it is not usable for equip!
Here you can see a screenshot :


So as I said before i can simply add a Trigger considered for activation to disable the mana but i would do it just if it is necessary. I would try to keep the code light and clean, so if it works without this additional trigger is better, otherwise i will add it.

Sorry, I only get emails for new posts, not for edits. absolutely used the second ability. Here are a couple of screenshots. In my attempts to get these screenshots, I wanted to have an Adventuring Gear and a Striking Sliver in hand and one of each in play as well to show I could play the sliver but not the artifact and I could activate the artifact's equip ability. However, in making sure I had this exact setup, I happened across the problem. When I mouse over the sliver, the equip ability is usable. When I mouse over the artifact, it's not. That makes sense. So I'm pretty sure the CONSIDERED_FOR_ACTIVATION is necessary. (Obviously, seeing as the sliver is playable, I have in my mana pool. Since the only land in play is the hive, that's where it came from.)

[NeoAnderson]

Sorry, I only get emails for new posts, not for edits. absolutely used the second ability. Here are a couple of screenshots. In my attempts to get these screenshots, I wanted to have an Adventuring Gear and a Striking Sliver in hand and one of each in play as well to show I could play the sliver but not the artifact and I could activate the artifact's equip ability. However, in making sure I had this exact setup, I happened across the problem. When I mouse over the sliver, the equip ability is usable. When I mouse over the artifact, it's not. That makes sense. So I'm pretty sure the CONSIDERED_FOR_ACTIVATION is necessary. (Obviously, seeing as the sliver is playable, I have in my mana pool. Since the only land in play is the hive, that's where it came from.)

Thx my friend, now i focused the problem, is the combination of an available Sliver into hand and an activable ability onto battlefield, just when we move the mouse pointer over the sliver the ability is usable, this because there isn't an update of the State-base-action before we can activate the ability.
Ok i will add a trigger for the abilities activation to see if the issue is solved. Stay tuned.

Update: There are more problems than expected to add this kind of trigger.
The mana will be easly disabled for the abilities, but the timing will disable the mana abilities alo while you are casting the Sliver creature, this means that the mana will be not used and the sliver spell will be cast anyway.