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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 20 Mar 2015, 20:39
Haven't looked at mitotic Slime, yet.nivmizzet1 wrote:In an effort to get my mods into the community wad I need to code some cards that weren't available already in the community wad, that I got from other mods whose modders are yet to give permission to add their mods to the community wad. I need the following cards to be coded:GelectrodeErratic Portal
Dispense Justice
Mitotic Slime
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Momir Vig, Simic VisionaryFable of Wolf and Owl
GrindstoneBeacon of ImmortalityPillory of the Sleepless
Arc Trail
EDIT: I've now coded Fable of Wolf and Owl, Erratic Portal, Beacon of Immortality, Gelectrode, and Pillory of the Sleepless.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 20 Mar 2015, 20:41
tinisking wrote:Hey guys.
Can anyone help me to code:
1) Sorin's Vengeance
2) Nekrataal
3) Tomb of Urami
4) Tombstalker
Thanks!
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Sorin's Vengeance is in the base game.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 20 Mar 2015, 20:43
Alright. There's all of the requests that I saw for cards. Each card has been tested and is working. They'll all be included in the CW.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by zysron » 21 Mar 2015, 07:02
awsome i love you guys...
how do i pull cards from previous/ newer versions of duels?
but i have a few cards from two different decks
Crypt of Agadeem
Champion of Stray Souls
Disentomb
Life's Finale
Necrotic Ooze
Profane Command
Rhystic Tutor
Royal Assassin
Scrib Nibblers
Xenograft
Woodland Changling
xenograft and the changling go in my ally deck... xeno causes and instant win situation
wierd... changling doesnt show up... no matter only need the xenograft (or wait want changing creature types impossible?)
last edit... i dont know if necrotic ooze can work right...
i'll wait a few more days then look up some more cards
btw my black white allydeck... crazy ... doesnt need xeno and green for instant winn... did a 5th turn win lol
how do i pull cards from previous/ newer versions of duels?
but i have a few cards from two different decks
Crypt of Agadeem
Champion of Stray Souls
Disentomb
Life's Finale
Necrotic Ooze
Profane Command
Rhystic Tutor
Royal Assassin
Scrib Nibblers
Xenograft
Woodland Changling
xenograft and the changling go in my ally deck... xeno causes and instant win situation
wierd... changling doesnt show up... no matter only need the xenograft (or wait want changing creature types impossible?)
last edit... i dont know if necrotic ooze can work right...
i'll wait a few more days then look up some more cards
btw my black white allydeck... crazy ... doesnt need xeno and green for instant winn... did a 5th turn win lol
Re: Formal Request Thread
by zysron » 21 Mar 2015, 08:26
one quick request how would i make a card that produces 1000 mana and adds an extra turn?
i know this sounds weird but i want to use it in 2013 so i can use the planechase deck irl.
since the turn wont end till you end it i think that would be just right
maybe labeled
planar dice
basic land- dice
(tap)=add (1000)
after this turn take another turn
gonna try myself first i'll check back tomarrow night see if i got it right
i know this sounds weird but i want to use it in 2013 so i can use the planechase deck irl.
since the turn wont end till you end it i think that would be just right
maybe labeled
planar dice
basic land- dice
(tap)=add (1000)
after this turn take another turn
gonna try myself first i'll check back tomarrow night see if i got it right
Re: Formal Request Thread
by zysron » 21 Mar 2015, 10:05
k got is solved
planar die (0)
artifact
when you cast planar die, take an extra turn after this one
indestructible
tap add 1000 colorless mana to your mana pool
planar die (0)
artifact
when you cast planar die, take an extra turn after this one
indestructible
tap add 1000 colorless mana to your mana pool
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 21 Mar 2015, 13:30
Necrotic Ooze can't be made as there is no way to get the abilities.zysron wrote:i dont know if necrotic ooze can work right...
That doesn't actually add 1000 mana to the mana pool because there is no mana pool so it is basically works as a one-off get an extra turn and use up to 1000 colourless mana once per turn (after first use you will have no mana so if you only usedzysron wrote:k got is solved
planar die (0)
artifact
when you cast planar die, take an extra turn after this one
indestructible
tap add 1000 colorless mana to your mana pool
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you lost out on the other 998 mana). There is a Mana Token implementation in DotP 2013 that would work better for your purposes, but I can't remember where it is. It didn't have a standalone release like Manual Mana did in DotP 2014 so trying to find it isn't quite as easy.Alternately, you could add an ability to untap itself (if it is tapped).
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 21 Mar 2015, 21:06
Woodland Changling didn't highlight because it's Woodland Changeling.zysron wrote:Awesome. I love you guys...
How do I pull cards from previous/newer versions of duels?
But I have a few cards from two different decks
Crypt of Agadeem
Champion of Stray Souls
Disentomb
Life's Finale
Necrotic Ooze
Profane Command
Rhystic Tutor
Royal Assassin
Scrib Nibblers
Xenograft
Woodland Changling
Xenograft and the changling go in my ally deck... xeno causes an instant win situation.
Weird... Changling doesn't show up... No matter. Only need the Xenograft (or wait wasn't changing creature types impossible?)
Last edit... I don't know if Necrotic Ooze can work right...
I'll wait a few more days then look up some more cards.
Btw, my black white ally deck... crazy... doesn't need xeno and green for instant win... did a 5th turn win lol.
For pulling cards from older/newer versions of the game, you ask us to make the card and let us know which version of the game it's in. If I'm the one to code it, I'll probably still just code it from scratch, but it's a really complicated card, having a working copy to look at will be really helpful even if it's in a slightly different version of the programming language.
As Riiak pointed out, Necrotic Ooze is impossible and has actually been discussed before. It would be a cool card, but it cannot be done correctly. Someone did make a copy that partially worked, but it was setup specifically to work in the particular deck it was put it (it could ONLY get the activated abilities of the creatures in that deck) and didn't work with the opponent's creatures. I'll get started on these today.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by zysron » 21 Mar 2015, 22:11
any idea wehre i can find that copy? would still work for me
nvm i found it
hmm well i think i can work with this... by adding my cards into necrotic ooze instead of the ones in the wastenot's deck i think i can get it to work... maybe... its worth trying(yeah alot of coding for just one card but it makes it a power house if it works)
basically the top has the graveyard inquary for card name if valid to the secondary activating the possibility of using said ability which is listed below in order.
i'm gonna remove all non english from it to shorten it and it will only be used with 1 person... or the a.i..
and if i'm reading this card right... it will work for either players grave yard... just only the cards listed..
though if i really really wanted to spend the time... no that would take at least a month of r&d just to make one card.... for everyone
nvm i found it
hmm well i think i can work with this... by adding my cards into necrotic ooze instead of the ones in the wastenot's deck i think i can get it to work... maybe... its worth trying(yeah alot of coding for just one card but it makes it a power house if it works)
basically the top has the graveyard inquary for card name if valid to the secondary activating the possibility of using said ability which is listed below in order.
i'm gonna remove all non english from it to shorten it and it will only be used with 1 person... or the a.i..
and if i'm reading this card right... it will work for either players grave yard... just only the cards listed..
though if i really really wanted to spend the time... no that would take at least a month of r&d just to make one card.... for everyone
Re: Formal Request Thread
by zysron » 21 Mar 2015, 22:43
does anyone see why this would not work with opponents grave yard if they have the listed creature in their grave yard? b/c if not i might actually take one for the team and make it work for all creatures... though it would be a BIG card listing everything... it would be my pet project
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 21 Mar 2015, 23:50
Note that even if you put every activated ability from every card into Necrotic Ooze to get it to work that way, it still won't work 100% correctly. A card can only have up to a maximum of 10 activated abilities so once you have enough creatures in graveyards while the approximated ooze will still receive them only the first 10 will ever be able to be activated.zysron wrote:does anyone see why this would not work with opponents grave yard if they have the listed creature in their grave yard? b/c if not i might actually take one for the team and make it work for all creatures... though it would be a BIG card listing everything... it would be my pet project
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Note that since you are using a FILTER block and looping through all cards in all graveyards if you run across multiple copies of a card you will get that activated ability added to the ooze multiple times further reducing how many different abilities you will be able to access since you will see an ability multiple times. For example your filter runs across 4 copies of Steel Hellkite then 2 copies of Clockwork Hydra then a copy of Royal Assassin this will mean that it will grant 11 activated abilities of 4 different types, but only 3 of those types will be accessible with Royal Assassin's ability not being accessible. As such this is a bad design since for maximum diversity it should only assign abilities once which would still limit the abilities it can get to 10 different abilities.
Also note that the more checks it has to go through the more it will slow down the game. If you put checks in there for 100 cards and there are 20 creatures in graveyards that is a minimum of 2,000 checks it will need to do every time it checks state based effects. If you put in 1000 cards and in a long game with multiple players there are 50 creatures in graveyards that is a minimum of 50,000 checks every time it checks state based effects (if it goes through 5 state based effect changes that means you just went through a minimum of 250,000 checks). Also note that string based compares (which are what you are using) are slow as they are checking multiple characters if you assume that for each check it examines an average of 3-4 characters then your 250,000 checks balloons to 750,000-1,000,000 checks. A single turn can have have as upwards of 100+ state based effect changes.
If you put every card's activated abilities inside of Necrotic Ooze it would likely become unplayable even if it worked. There are cards and abilities out there now that people are already complaining about the performance of and they don't do nearly as many checks as you are suggesting for Necrotic Ooze.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 22 Mar 2015, 00:46
(Please don't take this as "We should make this card". This is strictly meant to be hypothetical.)
One way to get around the 10 ability limit would be to add a tenth ability which only appears if there are more than 10 relevant creatures in all graveyards. This tenth ability would be a free ability which would allow you to choose which 9 other creatures you want to focus on at the moment, and would grant the ability of any you choose to Necrotic Ooze, but would only remove enough abilities to make that work. By that, I mean that if it has 9 abilities and you need to use one specific ability that isn't currently available, you can activate the tenth ability, choose the creature with the ability you need, and then click finish. The first ability would turn into the new ability while the remaining 8 granted remain unchanged (and the selection ability being the tenth, still).
1463 current creatures with activated abilities. To reduce the number of checks, you could create a manager to monitor the zone changes to and from the graveyard. When a creature is put into the graveyard, check its name then, and add its abilities to a chest of integers which Necrotic Ooze will check. Rather than making the chest have one register with a 1 or 0 for each possible creature, however, give it the abilities, each with its own resource_id, and upon a relevant creature going to the graveyard, set the first unused chest register to store the correct resource id. Then, Necrotic Ooze would just have a static ability which counts the chest and grants each ability in it, which would normally be small, but would always be manageable, at least.
Doing it this way would even let you make multiple cards store the same resource_id (and of course only if it's not already present in the chest) so that two different creatures with "{T}: Add
to your mana pool" would, together, grant the ability only once.
The only thing left to do would be to make sure the creatures in the graveyard have actually have those abilities, but the Abilities_Active_Manager can handle that.
It's a ridiculous amount of work and I'm not sure the game could handle a card that long, but it should be at least possible, albeit not worth even a fraction of the required time in my opinion.
If you decide to take this from hypothetical to reality, zysron, I'll write a short utility to at least make things a tad easier for you. I can isolate and extract all activated abilities from cards in a given folder and write them all to a single file for you. I could possibly even include a check to put them into two different files based on whether they're simple or complex (simple being everything is handled in an EffectDC, complex if they use RSN_ObjectDC or LinkedDC or they use a delated trigger). This would probably miss a lot of cards, and testing it would be a pain, but at least easier than doing every last bit by hand.
I don't think one card is worth that much effort, not matter how cool the card it, but if you want to tackle it, at least don't do it the way you are.
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One way to get around the 10 ability limit would be to add a tenth ability which only appears if there are more than 10 relevant creatures in all graveyards. This tenth ability would be a free ability which would allow you to choose which 9 other creatures you want to focus on at the moment, and would grant the ability of any you choose to Necrotic Ooze, but would only remove enough abilities to make that work. By that, I mean that if it has 9 abilities and you need to use one specific ability that isn't currently available, you can activate the tenth ability, choose the creature with the ability you need, and then click finish. The first ability would turn into the new ability while the remaining 8 granted remain unchanged (and the selection ability being the tenth, still).
1463 current creatures with activated abilities. To reduce the number of checks, you could create a manager to monitor the zone changes to and from the graveyard. When a creature is put into the graveyard, check its name then, and add its abilities to a chest of integers which Necrotic Ooze will check. Rather than making the chest have one register with a 1 or 0 for each possible creature, however, give it the abilities, each with its own resource_id, and upon a relevant creature going to the graveyard, set the first unused chest register to store the correct resource id. Then, Necrotic Ooze would just have a static ability which counts the chest and grants each ability in it, which would normally be small, but would always be manageable, at least.
Doing it this way would even let you make multiple cards store the same resource_id (and of course only if it's not already present in the chest) so that two different creatures with "{T}: Add
to your mana pool" would, together, grant the ability only once.The only thing left to do would be to make sure the creatures in the graveyard have actually have those abilities, but the Abilities_Active_Manager can handle that.
It's a ridiculous amount of work and I'm not sure the game could handle a card that long, but it should be at least possible, albeit not worth even a fraction of the required time in my opinion.
If you decide to take this from hypothetical to reality, zysron, I'll write a short utility to at least make things a tad easier for you. I can isolate and extract all activated abilities from cards in a given folder and write them all to a single file for you. I could possibly even include a check to put them into two different files based on whether they're simple or complex (simple being everything is handled in an EffectDC, complex if they use RSN_ObjectDC or LinkedDC or they use a delated trigger). This would probably miss a lot of cards, and testing it would be a pain, but at least easier than doing every last bit by hand.
I don't think one card is worth that much effort, not matter how cool the card it, but if you want to tackle it, at least don't do it the way you are.
As a side note, put your code in a [ code][/code] tag inside the spoiler tag. It'll help immensely.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 22 Mar 2015, 01:06
Doing a check on the graveyards when Necrotic Ooze enters the battlefield then only monitoring cards changing zone to the graveyard would greatly reduce the number of checks being done and allow for much better performance (you can do this without using a manager which would save you from needing to code 2 cards and test the interactions between them). Implementing an ordered set using chests and storing ability indices would likely prove immensely helpful for you in deciding which 10 abilities to show. Using a modification of Xander9009's suggestion and showing up to 9 real abilities and a "Next" ability to cycle to the next set of 9 if there are more than 10 total abilities would probably be the best way to handle the 10 activated ability limit.
Again, like Xander9009, I don't believe this is worth even a fraction of the effort you would need to expend to get this really working (mainly because you would need to test every ability in addition to testing to make sure all abilities are detected and show up properly and cycling ability sets works), but it's your choice.
Again, like Xander9009, I don't believe this is worth even a fraction of the effort you would need to expend to get this really working (mainly because you would need to test every ability in addition to testing to make sure all abilities are detected and show up properly and cycling ability sets works), but it's your choice.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by zysron » 22 Mar 2015, 03:29
simce i'm obviously getting over my head i'm gonna throw out a couple of ideas...
since noone will want to use necrotic ooze due to the work neccesary to get it to work for their own deck i can see the trouble.
enters the battle field checks the grave yard understand that(not how to code it of course i'm newbish to that) when a creature enters the grave again understood. getting a card to read a card does not work unless its a clone(right?) i do not understand this "next" ability too well but what about choosing which abilities it could use?... snit... nvm mind i'm really getting why noone wants to code this in any actual way... .... what about possibly the card linking to another item or wad with the coding? grasping at straws here.
so necrotic ooze is usless except for 10 or less items from your personal deck that you have linked to it specifically... project necrotic ooze, canceled
oh and as far as the (planar die) card i made for playing planechase with a friend irl using the digi deck and personal real decks i spent about an hour running through and even though its a waste of mana it works i mean really not to many people are going to be playing planechase and roll the die more than 6 times a turn with emrikul's extra turn on cast and a deck consisting of 100 planar die only your probably gonna end the game before you draw out... btw its not to keep track of the rolls its just to roll the die for each player were big kids we know how to count... though sometimes i'm not so sure about others lol
since noone will want to use necrotic ooze due to the work neccesary to get it to work for their own deck i can see the trouble.
enters the battle field checks the grave yard understand that(not how to code it of course i'm newbish to that) when a creature enters the grave again understood. getting a card to read a card does not work unless its a clone(right?) i do not understand this "next" ability too well but what about choosing which abilities it could use?... snit... nvm mind i'm really getting why noone wants to code this in any actual way... .... what about possibly the card linking to another item or wad with the coding? grasping at straws here.
so necrotic ooze is usless except for 10 or less items from your personal deck that you have linked to it specifically... project necrotic ooze, canceled
oh and as far as the (planar die) card i made for playing planechase with a friend irl using the digi deck and personal real decks i spent about an hour running through and even though its a waste of mana it works i mean really not to many people are going to be playing planechase and roll the die more than 6 times a turn with emrikul's extra turn on cast and a deck consisting of 100 planar die only your probably gonna end the game before you draw out... btw its not to keep track of the rolls its just to roll the die for each player were big kids we know how to count... though sometimes i'm not so sure about others lol
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