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Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
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Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by fallenangle » 01 Sep 2013, 01:08
I really like the idea behind the Door to Nothingness card, and I'd like to make a deck that somehow uses it as a win condition. Can anyone make a deck like this, suggest a deck list, or provide some good ideas?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by thefiremind » 01 Sep 2013, 08:34
Just an idea: since you need 5 colors for the Door, you could add Coalition Victory as another win condition. It could be achieved with some ramping for fetching the lands plus a bunch of multicolored creatures (just one 5-colored creature under your control, for example Transguild Courier, is enough).
This search on Gatherer gives some other advices about possible cards that interact well with the theme:
WUBRG in the card text
For the cards that produce those colors, rather than needing them as a cost, RiiakShiNal's mana functions will be required.
This search on Gatherer gives some other advices about possible cards that interact well with the theme:
WUBRG in the card text
For the cards that produce those colors, rather than needing them as a cost, RiiakShiNal's mana functions will be required.
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by mr friendly guy » 01 Sep 2013, 08:45
Presumably you can use Channel the Suns, Composite Golem, Crystal Quarry, Kaleidostone to produce the 5 mana. However to produce the 5 colored mana, you youself need lots of other mana.
You might not necessarily need the basic lands for the five colors if you have these cards. Perhaps use Mana Flare to produce the extra mana you need, or one of the artifacts with infinite mana. Of course if you have infinite mana, it might be easier to use infinite mana and cast other spells, rather than convert these cards to bring out the Door to Nothingness.
edit - if you are going down this route (ie trying to generate infinite mana) and then producing the colored mana from those cards, I suggest you do something similar to my deck
Metalworker + Voltaic Construct + 2 artifact cards in hand (easy to do if you have lots of artifacts and artifact lands)
Metalworker + Staff of Domination + 3 artifact cards in hand
2 Myr Galvanizer + 1 Palladium Myr
Also might want to have Darksteel Forge to protect your Door to Nothingness until you can activate it.
Edit 2 - you might want to try the locus land instead of some basic lands eg Cloudpost and Glimmerpost (Cloudpost can produce more mana). These are available in the mods.
Another thought is if people remake the Urza lands eg Urza's Mine, Urza's Power-Plant and an Urza's Tower, these might be useful as well.
PS - if someone is willing to create the wads for these cards, eg Composite Golem, Crystal Quarry, Kaleidostone, and the Urza lands, I am willing to chip in and help create a Door to Nothingness deck.
Edit 3 - I suggest Eye of Ugin to help search for the Composite Golem and any artifact you might need. It also makes Eldrazi spells cheaper, so I suggest using All is Dust as a sweeper card. Since you load up on artifacts, all is dust leaves you alone as they are colorless permanents.
You might not necessarily need the basic lands for the five colors if you have these cards. Perhaps use Mana Flare to produce the extra mana you need, or one of the artifacts with infinite mana. Of course if you have infinite mana, it might be easier to use infinite mana and cast other spells, rather than convert these cards to bring out the Door to Nothingness.
edit - if you are going down this route (ie trying to generate infinite mana) and then producing the colored mana from those cards, I suggest you do something similar to my deck
Metalworker + Voltaic Construct + 2 artifact cards in hand (easy to do if you have lots of artifacts and artifact lands)
Metalworker + Staff of Domination + 3 artifact cards in hand
2 Myr Galvanizer + 1 Palladium Myr
Also might want to have Darksteel Forge to protect your Door to Nothingness until you can activate it.
Edit 2 - you might want to try the locus land instead of some basic lands eg Cloudpost and Glimmerpost (Cloudpost can produce more mana). These are available in the mods.
Another thought is if people remake the Urza lands eg Urza's Mine, Urza's Power-Plant and an Urza's Tower, these might be useful as well.
PS - if someone is willing to create the wads for these cards, eg Composite Golem, Crystal Quarry, Kaleidostone, and the Urza lands, I am willing to chip in and help create a Door to Nothingness deck.
Edit 3 - I suggest Eye of Ugin to help search for the Composite Golem and any artifact you might need. It also makes Eldrazi spells cheaper, so I suggest using All is Dust as a sweeper card. Since you load up on artifacts, all is dust leaves you alone as they are colorless permanents.
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by BloodReyvyn » 01 Sep 2013, 11:10
Another infinite any color mana combo for this theme would be Nim Deathmantle + Composite Golem. Problem is, I don't know how to keep one specific mana token so you can keep the colored mana you need. I mean, maybe the game would keep the right mana, but who knows...
I was just thinking of making a deck with Door to Nothingness, Fusion Elemental, Coalition Victory, and the 5 Bringers... (Bringer of the White Dawn, Bringer of the Blue Dawn, Bringer of the Black Dawn, Bringer of the Red Dawn, and Bringer of the Green Dawn) and some serious mana ramp.
EDIT: Threw together one helpful card (I hope).
I was just thinking of making a deck with Door to Nothingness, Fusion Elemental, Coalition Victory, and the 5 Bringers... (Bringer of the White Dawn, Bringer of the Blue Dawn, Bringer of the Black Dawn, Bringer of the Red Dawn, and Bringer of the Green Dawn) and some serious mana ramp.
EDIT: Threw together one helpful card (I hope).
- Chromatic Lantern (Untested) | Open
- Composite Golem (Untested) | Open
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by mr friendly guy » 01 Sep 2013, 14:25
Here is my theme. The idea is to use infinite mana and convert composite golem, Crystal Quarry, Kaleidostone etc into the coloured mana you need to activate the Door to Nothingness. You should use Tezzerett to search for relevant artifacts including Door to Nothingness, or Staff of domination to draw cards (combine with infinite mana combo, or at least lots of mana from Metalworker).
Basically it has 60 cards with 24 lands (ie 40%) with 15 of those capable of producing the blue mana for Tezzeret. The last 3 cards need to be coded. If anyone can do that, it would help and I can play test this deck. The Staff of Domination and Metalworker are available elsewhere, but they were created from my request in the formal request thread.
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Basically it has 60 cards with 24 lands (ie 40%) with 15 of those capable of producing the blue mana for Tezzeret. The last 3 cards need to be coded. If anyone can do that, it would help and I can play test this deck. The Staff of Domination and Metalworker are available elsewhere, but they were created from my request in the formal request thread.
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by BloodReyvyn » 01 Sep 2013, 14:39
Cool, I am sure I can make some if not all of the cards.mr friendly guy wrote:Here is my theme. The idea is to use infinite mana and convert composite golem, Crystal Quarry, Kaleidostone etc into the coloured mana you need to activate the Door to Nothingness. You should use Tezzerett to search for relevant artifacts including Door to Nothingness, or Staff of domination to draw cards (combine with infinite mana combo, or at least lots of mana from Metalworker).
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Basically it has 60 cards with 24 lands (ie 40%) with 15 of those capable of producing the blue mana for Tezzeret. The last 3 cards need to be coded. If anyone can do that, it would help and I can play test this deck. The Staff of Domination and Metalworker are available elsewhere, but they were created from my request in the formal request thread.
- Crystal Quarry (Untested) | Open
- Kaleidostone (Untested) | Open
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by mr friendly guy » 01 Sep 2013, 15:10
I tested the crystal quarry. The tap for 1 colorless seems to work. I can activate the 5 ability to produce WBURG, but it doesn't display on Riiak's mana bar which colors it produces. To test it further I decided to cast spells, I chose an artifact creature with casting cost of 2 in my deck. So I should be able to cast 2 and fail to cast the third unless I have one extra land free.
The game however crashes when I attempt to cast the second creature. There doesn't appear to be a script log, but it crashed twice in a row, making me think it isn't a fluke.
The game however crashes when I attempt to cast the second creature. There doesn't appear to be a script log, but it crashed twice in a row, making me think it isn't a fluke.
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by BloodReyvyn » 02 Sep 2013, 03:13
Hmmm I didn't even know there was a "mana bar."
I guess maybe splitting up the added mana might help, i.e.:
Change this...
I guess maybe splitting up the added mana might help, i.e.:
Change this...
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<RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
RSN_Produce( "{W}{U}{B}{R}{G}", 1 )
</RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
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<RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
RSN_Produce( "{W}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{U}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{B}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{R}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{G}", 1 )
</RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by mr friendly guy » 02 Sep 2013, 12:19
Maybe its a limitation with Riiak's mana functions. Maybe we should ask Riaak to look into it. Basically the problem remains. It also seems to occur with Composite Golem as well. Maybe you can play test it as well, but basically once I sacrifice the permanents
a) nothing shows up on the mana bar
b) it crashes the game after I try casting a second creature even though I have plenty of mana. Maybe it doesn't know which mana to use.
Edit- it seems to work when you activate both items to get WBUGR and activate Door to nothingness. However if you try the mana for something else, it seems to crash the game. Weird. Perhaps its an issue with Riiak's mana functions?
a) nothing shows up on the mana bar
b) it crashes the game after I try casting a second creature even though I have plenty of mana. Maybe it doesn't know which mana to use.
Edit- it seems to work when you activate both items to get WBUGR and activate Door to nothingness. However if you try the mana for something else, it seems to crash the game. Weird. Perhaps its an issue with Riiak's mana functions?
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by mr friendly guy » 02 Sep 2013, 14:03
Ok, firstly I like to thank BloodReyvyn for creating those cards. As long as you just put the mana into paying Door to nothingness, it seems to work fine. I have now created the deck and every time that I win, I had to rely on Door to Nothingness. I literally can't seem to win any other way.
I started losing badly to Avacyn's deck, until I used infinite mana combo to draw the cards with Staff of Domination until I got the cards I needed. I won again against Chant of Mul Daya by getting the cards in hand to win before he could swarm me with his creatures. Tomorrow I might join zippyshare or something and upload it in a separate thread with all my other decks. So far I am still play testing the deck.
I started losing badly to Avacyn's deck, until I used infinite mana combo to draw the cards with Staff of Domination until I got the cards I needed. I won again against Chant of Mul Daya by getting the cards in hand to win before he could swarm me with his creatures. Tomorrow I might join zippyshare or something and upload it in a separate thread with all my other decks. So far I am still play testing the deck.
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by mr friendly guy » 02 Sep 2013, 15:46
Seems to work ok. I still get this on the script though.
[lua] [string "Content\Functions\RSN_MANALEGACY.LOL"]:201: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value
[lua] [string "Content\Functions\RSN_MANALEGACY.LOL"]:201: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by MC Brodie » 02 Sep 2013, 17:31
If you are referring to the screen shot below as the mana bar, you need to add the code to display the message.
If you use sumomole's mods, you could just use his function:
- Screenshot | Open
If you use sumomole's mods, you could just use his function:
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<RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
S_DisplayManaPool(EffectController())
</RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
- gorem's display mana | Open
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<AVAILABILITY>
return EffectController():CanPayManaCost("{6}")
</AVAILABILITY>
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by RiiakShiNal » 02 Sep 2013, 21:28
After a quick look through this thread, Chromatic Lantern looks okay, but you're going to have issues with Composite Golem, Crystal Quarry, and Kaleidostone.
Composite Golem, Crystal Quarry, and Kaleidostone:
There is a difference between:
I do not have a "Mana Bar" in any of my code so I can't help there.
Without seeing all of the code there is no way to track down a crash. It could be from almost anything, though more often than not it is due to a missing TOKEN_REGISTRATION, though the cards listed here do seem to have all the correct TOKEN_REGISTRATIONs for the mana tokens they will produce.
As for RSN_MANALEGACY.LOL, that is NOT one of my files (which means it should NOT be using my prefix). The LOL file from my manual mana functions is RSN_MANA.LOL. I can't and won't support mana functions I didn't write and/or provide (you need to get support from whoever provided that file). If you are using mana tokens from someone else then you may need other TOKEN_REGISTRATIONS. If someone else is releasing modified versions of my functions then you need to get support from that person and this could very well be a source of problems because of conflicting functions/code.
Composite Golem, Crystal Quarry, and Kaleidostone:
- You have resource_ids on the abilities that mark/clear mana produced/can be produced which can cause issues with card interactions.
There is a difference between:
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RSN_Produce( "{W}{U}{B}{R}{G}", 1 )
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RSN_Produce( "{W}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{U}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{B}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{R}", 1 )
RSN_Produce( "{G}", 1 )
I do not have a "Mana Bar" in any of my code so I can't help there.
Without seeing all of the code there is no way to track down a crash. It could be from almost anything, though more often than not it is due to a missing TOKEN_REGISTRATION, though the cards listed here do seem to have all the correct TOKEN_REGISTRATIONs for the mana tokens they will produce.
As for RSN_MANALEGACY.LOL, that is NOT one of my files (which means it should NOT be using my prefix). The LOL file from my manual mana functions is RSN_MANA.LOL. I can't and won't support mana functions I didn't write and/or provide (you need to get support from whoever provided that file). If you are using mana tokens from someone else then you may need other TOKEN_REGISTRATIONS. If someone else is releasing modified versions of my functions then you need to get support from that person and this could very well be a source of problems because of conflicting functions/code.
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Re: Can someone make a Door to Nothingness Deck?
by mr friendly guy » 02 Sep 2013, 22:36
Yeah that's what I meant by the "mana bar,", that is it displays the mana pool in a bar form. I guess you guys most probably just refer it as the mana pool.MC Brodie wrote:If you are referring to the screen shot below as the mana bar, you need to add the code to display the message.
- Screenshot | Open
If you use sumomole's mods, you could just use his function:If you don't want to rely on sumo's mod you could use the code from gorem's mana token:
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<RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
S_DisplayManaPool(EffectController())
</RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>Crystal Quarry seemed to work fine when I checked it but you may want to add an availability block. If you only have 4 mana out with the quarry, I believe the game thinks you can still activate the quarry's ability because it still sees the 1 colorless from the quarry as available.
- gorem's display mana | Open
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<AVAILABILITY>
return EffectController():CanPayManaCost("{6}")
</AVAILABILITY>
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