Re: Community Wad - Updated Dec-12-15
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/ ... eid=391965zhupiter wrote:For Yasova,I try to search its FAQ but found nothing.But I don't think it should work like that.It's ability says "you may payXander9009 wrote:Please don't change Yasova if it's working the way I described. The way I described is the way it's supposed to work.{U/R}{U/R}. If you do, gain control ..." ,not "choose target creature power less than Yasova ,you may pay
{U/R}{U/R} to gain control of it" .So it works should be :
1: Combat begins.
2.You choose whether or not to pay the cost.
3.If yes,choose a target creature and the ability is put onto the stack
4.Your opponents respond .If no one do something prevent it,gain control of that creature.
If the rule is what you said,this scene will happen:
You control Yasova Dragonclaw,a Culling Dais , three untapped mountain and a Lightning Bolt in hand.Your opponent control a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and a Gods Willing in hand.At the beginning of combat,you choose Thalia ,then your opponent cast Gods Willing in response to let it protect from green.Then you smile "Sorry, I don't pay{U/R}{U/R}" and cast Lightning Bolt killing Thalia.You see,Yasova actually do nothing but forcing your opponent use his Gods Willing.It seems ridiculous.
I didn't use Yasova in a real duel so I might be wrong.But I think my opinion is right.If there is any FAQ,please tell me and thanks.
First ruling states that the power of the target creature is chosen as it's put onto the stack, which cannot be done if the target hasn't been chosen yet.
Also, here someone explains that Delver of Secrets (whose ability mirrors the structure of Yasova's) works the way I describe in Magic the Gathering: Online, and that's coded by Wizards (or whoever they hired to program the game) so it is rule-compliant.
EDIT:
Just a couple more references:
- Rule 114.1d: A triggered ability is targeted if it identifies something it will affect by using the phrase “target [something],” where the “something” is a phrase that describes an object, player, or zone. The target(s) are chosen as the ability is put on the stack; see rule 603.3d. --- So, as soon as the ability triggers, the target is chosen.
- 603.5 (same link as above) and 608.2d: Some triggered abilities’ effects are optional (they contain “may,” as in “At the beginning of your upkeep, you may draw a card”). These abilities go on the stack when they trigger, regardless of whether their controller intends to exercise the ability’s option or not. The choice is made when the ability resolves. Likewise, triggered abilities that have an effect “unless” something is true or a player chooses to do something will go on the stack normally; the “unless” part of the ability is dealt with when the ability resolves. --- So, the "you may pay" is dealt with when it resolves, which is when it is the next item on the stack and all players pass priority (so, no one can respond until someone gets priority again).
- 608.2e (same link as above): Some spells and abilities have multiple steps or actions, denoted by separate sentences or clauses, that involve multiple players. In these cases, the choices for the first action are made in APNAP order, and then the first action is processed simultaneously. Then the choices for the second action are made in APNAP order, and then that action is processed simultaneously, and so on. See rule 101.4. --- Since there are multiple parts to the ability, but the only sections are you making the choice and then the effect resolving with no other players making choices, the ability resolves without any other play getting a chance to make a choice of any kind once it's resolving (that is, after they've already passed priority to allow it to resolve). Nowhere in there does anyone get priority; not even you. Only choices related directly to the ability's text are made.
{U/R}{U/R}. If you do, gain control ..." ,not "choose target creature power less than Yasova ,you may pay
cost in them for free.