Planeswalkers just a bad experience

[nachonal986]

Hey guys, only I wanna share my opinion about the Planeswalkers... I start to play magic on 1999, and Im back the last year, where I saw the famous Planeswalkers types.

To be honest those cards (the mostly of them), disappointed me.
Why?
The way of use them, convert the strategic game into a unfair way to win, where I see +1 for add a creature 1/1, gain life, take a card, etc, etc. There no way to stop it, are many cards with this "problem", so I think aren't cards bad coded or something like this.

In conclusion, for my point of view, was a bad choice to add these type of card, always I think if you wanna have a great function, you must have a big risk too, is the basic way of a strategic mind cost/beneficts.

Other functions that I don't like it, are all the creatures with annihilator, just would be used if his creature is blocked or if the player receives demage, this card must to back to the hand or the deck or die, depending the number of these function.

In definitive I prefer play this game like real strategic game, without "fantastic miracles"

[Xander9009]

A lot of people don't like planeswalkers, and that makes sense. I don't personally feel they're anything other than another part of the strategy to account for, but I'm pretty sure they've been around since very shortly after I started playing, so they're not something special to me that were added. They're just part of the game, since I've never seen the game without them. I'd be fine if the planeswalkers didn't exist. I like them quite a bit, but they often do feel overpowered. But the fact that they are so powerful is exactly why they can be directly targeted for destruction by any creature you have. That's meant to be the risk. Any damage an opponent could deal to you can damage the planeswalker, and they start off with only a few hit points, so there is quite a bit of risk. They're definitely overpowered against a few types of decks, but most decks can at least target them.

I will say that one thing I very much dislike about them is that there's a big sense of imbalance if only one player has a planeswalker in their deck. When making a deck, you can ignore enchantments, artifact, sorceries, or instants, and your deck can still feel like it's on par with a deck that didn't ignore those. You can't really ignore creatures unless you make a very specific kind of deck, but that makes sense. Same goes for land, and that also makes sense. Unfortunately, you also can't ignore planeswalkers, but that doesn't make sense to me. You should be able to. They shouldn't be required to include in your deck to be on par with a deck that has them. The fact that they are does support the idea that they're overpowered.

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Although, while I agree to an extent about the planeswalkers, I disagree with the annihilator. It may be a bit overpowered, but I wouldn't call it a miracle. They're absurdly expensive. To be fair, a couple of them are less expensive than the others, but the cheapest one costs 8, which is still really expensive unless you're playing a ramp deck. In my opinion, the annihilator ability is both fun to play (and play against, even; which isn't something I can say for the planeswalkers) and expensive enough to balance them. You can play deck with no eldrazi and not feel like the underdog (other things about the deck can obviously make you feel like your deck is less powerful than theirs, of course, but the mere existence of the eldrazi in the deck doesn't do that for me).

Having said that, yes, I would still like the eldrazi as much if they only activated upon dealing damage to a player, or only activated upon dealing damage to a creature, or only when they were blocked or something. However, if that was the case, then they'd have to be cheaper (not by much, but at least 1 for the cheaper ones and 2/3 for the more expensive ones).

[nachonal986]

how you can defeat by example to Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver?

just you can exilie all the library and you'll win... wtf...

[RiiakShiNal]

how you can defeat by example to Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver?

just you can exilie all the library and you'll win... wtf...

Well if you are playing Blue you could just Cancel it. You can also use something like a Boomerang then counter it if you didn't have a Cancel at the time.

If you have unblockable creatures then just attack the planeswalker.

If you are playing White then use an Oblivion Ring or Banishing Light.

For Black an AEther Snap would work well.

For White/Black there is Utter End.

For Green you could use Beast Within, Bramblecrush, Desert Twister, or Display of Dominance.

For Red there is Red Elemental Blast.

These were just a few of the possibilities.

[nachonal986]

how you can defeat by example to Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver?

just you can exilie all the library and you'll win... wtf...

Well if you are playing Blue you could just Cancel it. You can also use something like a Boomerang then counter it if you didn't have a Cancel at the time.

If you have unblockable creatures then just attack the planeswalker.

If you are playing White then use an Oblivion Ring or Banishing Light.

For Black an AEther Snap would work well.

For White/Black there is Utter End.

For Green you could use Beast Within, Bramblecrush, Desert Twister, or Display of Dominance.

For Red there is Red Elemental Blast.

These were just a few of the possibilities.

but into the first turn you exilie all my library without to do nothing... I will need lucky to have the chance and destroy these card with something in my hand...

Planeswalkers should activates one item trigger by turn and no unlimited moves I think.

[Xander9009]

The planeswalkers should only be able to activate one ability per turn. If yours are activating multiple times per turn, then there's something going wrong. I know for sure that they work on my end.

[nachonal986]

The planeswalkers should only be able to activate one ability per turn. If yours are activating multiple times per turn, then there's something going wrong. I know for sure that they work on my end.

hmmm, many of them are doing unlimited moves in one turn, maybe for that reason I hate them too much... would be a setting problem?

[Xander9009]

If you tell me a specific one that's messing up, I'll check it on my end. If it's not on my end, then you likely have another mod or file interfering.

[nachonal986]

If you tell me a specific one that's messing up, I'll check it on my end. If it's not on my end, then you likely have another mod or file interfering.

Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is from CW

[Xander9009]

I meant if you knew of any others, but yeah. I added Ashiok to a deck already, so I'll test her out when I get the chance.

[Xander9009]

Alright. I tested Ashiok and she's working like she should be with the proper restrictions. I can only activate her abilities once per turn. Something you have installed alongside the CW is likely interfering with it.

Try this.

• Go to your game folder.
• Hold shift and right click the background, choose Open Command Window Here.
• Type or copy/paste the following (without the quotes): "dir > filelist.txt"
• Close the Command Window and find the file named "filelist.txt" in your game folder.
• Upload that file here or copy/paste its contents into a spoiler tag.

This creates a list of all files in your game folder so I can see if you have another file which might be interfering.

[nachonal986]

ok, this is the file

[Xander9009]

Alright, so I've found the problem. You've got both the CW and the wads it replaces. The CW will work alongside most of the mods it replaces (they simply have no effect), but not all of them. The planeswalker mod and Neo's update to it are not compatible. Also, various others are included and could potentially cause issues, but not necessarily.

Id suggest following the instructions in the spoiler as well, but deleting the plw wads is the most important step. Once you do, the planeswalkers should function properly.

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I do not know if these have been added to the CW off-hand. I'd have to check. But I'd keep these unless you have other problems.
Data_Decks_2010_GXSC_ART.wad
DATA_DECKS_2010_GXSC_ARTEXP.wad
Data_Decks_2010_GXSC_MAIN.wad
DATA_DECKS_2010_GXSC_MAINEXP.wad
DATA_DECKS_2012_ART.wad
DATA_DECKS_2012_CARDS.wad
Data_Decks_2012_DECKS.wad
Data_Decks_2012_DP1.wad
Data_Decks_2012_DP2.wad
Data_Decks_2012_DP3.wad
Data_Decks_2012_DP4.wad
Data_Decks_2012_PROMOS.wad
Data_Decks_2013_GXSC_ART.wad
Data_Decks_2013_GXSC_MAIN.wad
Data_Decks_4400_CORE.wad
Data_DLC_666_Core.wad
Data_DLC_CENA_512_Core.wad
DATA_DLC_LEGACY.wad
Data_DLC_VXP.wad
DATA_DLC_VXP_OTHER.WAD

Delete this file - It was posted as a way for the functions in the CW to be usable for tejahn's file. It was never meant to be used with the CW:
DATA_DLC_COMMUNITY_LITE.wad

Included in the CW and thus not needed (everything below):
DATA_DLC_PLW.wad

RiiakShiNal's files
Data_DLC_Core_Fixes.wad
Data_DLC_8192_Characteristics.wad
Data_DLC_8192_Core_Artwork.wad
Data_DLC_8192_Core_Cards.wad
Data_DLC_8192_ManualMana.wad
Data_DLC_8192_ObjectDC.wad

NeoAnderson's files
Data_DLC_560_Core.wad
DATA_DLC_575_SHARDS OF ALARA.wad
DATA_DLC_579_NEO_FLIP_CARDS_PACK.wad
DATA_DLC_580_NEO_PHASING_PACK.wad
DATA_DLC_581_ANTIQUITIES_CORE.wad
DATA_DLC_581_NEO_CONVOKE_PACK.wad
DATA_DLC_583_NEO_FIXED_CARDS_PACK.wad
DATA_DLC_587_THEROS.wad
DATA_DLC_588_BORN_OF_THE_GODS.wad
DATA_DLC_595_JOURNEY_INTO_NYX.wad
DATA_DLC_596_KHANS_OF_TARKIR.wad
DATA_DLC_599_NEO_MORPH_PACK.wad
DATA_DLC_915_NEO_M15_CORE_SET.wad

This one's also included but for some reason doesn't function (but the planeswalkers themselves always have, and I've been loathe to mess with them too much because they do work).
DATA_DLC_PLW_NEO_UPGRADE.wad

sumomole's files - In fact, you have the CW decks already. They're the 317xx decks.
DATA_DLC_S61.wad
DATA_DLC_S62.wad
DATA_DLC_S6201.wad
DATA_DLC_S6202.wad
DATA_DLC_S6203.wad
DATA_DLC_S6204.wad
DATA_DLC_S6205.wad
DATA_DLC_S6206.wad
DATA_DLC_S6207.wad
DATA_DLC_S6208.wad
DATA_DLC_S6209.wad
DATA_DLC_S6210.wad
DATA_DLC_S6211.wad
DATA_DLC_S6212.wad
DATA_DLC_S6213.wad
DATA_DLC_S6214.wad
DATA_DLC_S6215.wad
DATA_DLC_S6216.wad
DATA_DLC_S6217.wad
DATA_DLC_S6218.wad
DATA_DLC_S6219.wad
DATA_DLC_S6220.wad
DATA_DLC_S6221.wad
DATA_DLC_S6222.wad
DATA_DLC_S6223.wad
DATA_DLC_S6224.wad
DATA_DLC_S6225.wad
DATA_DLC_S6226.wad
DATA_DLC_S6227.wad
DATA_DLC_S6228.wad
DATA_DLC_S6229.wad
DATA_DLC_S6230.wad
DATA_DLC_S6231.wad
DATA_DLC_S6232.wad
DATA_DLC_S6233.wad
DATA_DLC_S6234.wad
DATA_DLC_S6235.wad
DATA_DLC_S6236.wad
DATA_DLC_S6237.wad
DATA_DLC_S6238.wad
DATA_DLC_S6239.wad
DATA_DLC_S6240.wad
DATA_DLC_S6241.wad
DATA_DLC_S6242.wad
DATA_DLC_S6243.wad
DATA_DLC_S6244.wad
DATA_DLC_S6245.wad
DATA_DLC_S6246.wad
DATA_DLC_S6247.wad
DATA_DLC_S6248.wad
DATA_DLC_S6249.wad
DATA_DLC_S6250.wad
DATA_DLC_S6251.wad
DATA_DLC_S6252.wad
DATA_DLC_S6253.wad
DATA_DLC_S6254.wad
DATA_DLC_S6255.wad
DATA_DLC_S6256.wad
DATA_DLC_S6257.wad
DATA_DLC_S6258.wad
DATA_DLC_S6259.wad
DATA_DLC_S6260.wad
DATA_DLC_S6261.wad
DATA_DLC_S6262.wad
DATA_DLC_S6263.wad
DATA_DLC_S6264.wad
DATA_DLC_S6265.wad
DATA_DLC_S6266.wad
DATA_DLC_S6267.wad
DATA_DLC_S6268.wad
DATA_DLC_S6270.wad
DATA_DLC_S6271.wad
DATA_DLC_S6272.wad
DATA_DLC_S6273.wad
DATA_DLC_S6274.wad
DATA_DLC_S6275.wad
DATA_DLC_S6276.wad
DATA_DLC_S6277.wad
DATA_DLC_S6278.wad
DATA_DLC_S6279.wad
DATA_DLC_S6280.wad
DATA_DLC_S6281.wad
DATA_DLC_S6282.wad
DATA_DLC_S6283.wad

thefiremind's files - Make sure you get the TFM decks from the CW Decks folder.
DATA_DLC_TFM_ART.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_CARDS.wad
Data_DLC_TFM_Content_Pack_Enabler.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Counters_Mastery.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Death_Cycle_2014.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Devotion_to_Chaos.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Echoing_Deeds.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Exponential_Growth.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Fresh_Dead_Meat.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Full_Moon_on_Innistrad.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Future_Myr.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Golem_Assault.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_High_Profit.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Into_the_Deep.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Journey_to_Bant.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Kamikaze.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Kithkin_Militia.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Law_of_the_Skies.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Mind_Gap.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Phyrexian_Poison.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Project_X.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Rage_of_the_Land.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Rituals_of_Rebirth.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Superheroes.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_The_Esper_iment.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_The_Fireminds_Realm.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Time_Travelers_2014.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Treacherous_Shapes.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Unending_Thirst.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Unlife_on_Grixis.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_D_Wings_of_Justice.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_MEDIA.wad
DATA_DLC_TFM_OTHER.wad

[nachonal986]

I did all that you said, but now I have a lot broken decks.
There exist a way to "convert all them for CW cards automatically?

for your consideration:
2010, 2012, 560 core, are not 100% implemented into CW cards.

[Xander9009]

I did all that you said, but now I have a lot broken decks.
There exist a way to "convert all them for CW cards automatically?

for your consideration:
2010, 2012, 560 core, are not 100% implemented into CW cards.

Well, I said not to delete those first two because I wasn't sure, but I thought 560 was Neo's core. My apologies. If it isn't, then just don't delete that one either.

For converting them to the CW, https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-cZn ... kxPMk5UYjQ
In there, you'll find a file named Convert Deck for CW.exe. That file can do what you need.

To use it, you'll need a folder for the Core cards and a folder for the CW cards. You'll also need a folder for Gibbed Tools. I believe you already have the Core cards in your game folder (I'd move them to a subfolder or a folder outside your game folder, but it'll work with the there, so it's not a big deal). And I already explained how to get the CW cards using Gibbed Tools. Once you point the ini file to those three folders, you should be able to drop all of the broken decks onto it and it'll convert them.

WARNING: Back up the decks. Copy them into another folder. The converter does NOT back them up, and it changes the original. If you have any questions in the process, I'll have chat open like usual. If I don't respond, you can also send me a PM (for those, I'll get an email, which notifies me much more effectively).