Oath of the Gatewatch - Now Testing
Posted: 27 Dec 2015, 04:52A list of known Oath of the Gatewatch cards.
A question about wastes. My understanding of how they work is this: A waste produces {C}. A card with {C} as part of a cost can only be paid with colorless mana. As far as the rules go, I'm not 100% certain if this can be done. If the cost of a card was ONLY {C} (or at least only involved {C}), then probably, but a combination of {C} and 
would probably cause problems. I'll see if I can figure out a way to do it, but I'm not exactly... hopeful...
However, the question: if it can be done, there's a dilemma. The way the game determines payment for a card being cast and its CMC and stuff is related directly to the card's mana cost. This mana cost must contain symbols it can read, whether or not they display correctly (as evidenced by Beseech the Queen). The other part of the source of the dilemma is that we can't introduce new symbols to the game, we can only replace old ones with new ones. {Q} is a valid symbol which can be used in card text which produces the chaos symbol from planechase. It's not used anywhere and can be replaced readily and easily. However, this symbol cannot be used in mana costs. We could also replace with the new symbol. So, the two sides of the dilemma are: do we want Kozilek, the Great Distortion to display correctly or do we want Sol Ring to display correctly? We can either have the mana cost in the top showing {C} for everything or for nothing. If nothing, then we can still use {Q} in the abilities, but the main mana cost will not display correctly. Instead, it would be displayed like this for Kozilek: 
. Thoughts?
Second question: if we can't get them working properly, would you prefer the waste mana cost being changed to (so it can be paid with anything) or 
(so it can still be paid with anything, but it's more expensive to offset the fact that's easier to cast)?
EDIT: There is only one way to make it work without changing the symbol on ALL cards, so that's how I'll do it.
fallenangle has already done Nissa and Chandra.
EDIT:
Now that the cards are on Gatherer, they can be properly coded. All of them have had their framework done using the universal generator with my updated plugin. This has been attached. Please note that the frameworks might not yet work for the new mechanics as they still haven't been tested. Once tested (tomorrow), I'll upload a new framework group if needed with the corrected mechanics. I'll also sort out tomorrow any cards that were fully coded and don't need any more work done on them.
If you decide to help out, note the cards you intend to check and complete if it's a larger listing, or just note the ones you've done if it's not too many.
I am not working on the art now or in the foreseeable near future. That will be left up to others. If you need help with it, I'll be more than happy to provide any help I can.
EDIT: All cards except for Kozilek, the Great Distortion are done and are ready to be tested. If you test them, please let me know how they work. Note that the low quality art has been added to the art update, so if you get the update, you'll have images, and otherwise, they'll all be blank. The art wasn't handled by me at all (except to write a 10 line program to rename them by removing spaces and special characters). The art was done by p3hndrx.
Also, there are 4 errors that the Deck Builder displays. They can be safely ignored, as I've already dealt with them, but it was after the repack.
- Main Cards | Open
- Expiditions | Open
would probably cause problems. I'll see if I can figure out a way to do it, but I'm not exactly... hopeful...However, the question: if it can be done, there's a dilemma. The way the game determines payment for a card being cast and its CMC and stuff is related directly to the card's mana cost. This mana cost must contain symbols it can read, whether or not they display correctly (as evidenced by Beseech the Queen). The other part of the source of the dilemma is that we can't introduce new symbols to the game, we can only replace old ones with new ones. {Q} is a valid symbol which can be used in card text which produces the chaos symbol from planechase. It's not used anywhere and can be replaced readily and easily. However, this symbol cannot be used in mana costs. We could also replace
with the new symbol. So, the two sides of the dilemma are: do we want Kozilek, the Great Distortion to display correctly or do we want Sol Ring to display correctly? We can either have the mana cost in the top showing {C} for everything or for nothing. If nothing, then we can still use {Q} in the abilities, but the main mana cost will not display correctly. Instead, it would be displayed like this for Kozilek: . Thoughts?Second question: if we can't get them working properly, would you prefer the waste mana cost being changed to
(so it can be paid with anything) or (so it can still be paid with anything, but it's more expensive to offset the fact that's easier to cast)?EDIT: There is only one way to make it work without changing the
symbol on ALL cards, so that's how I'll do it.fallenangle has already done Nissa and Chandra.
EDIT:
Now that the cards are on Gatherer, they can be properly coded. All of them have had their framework done using the universal generator with my updated plugin. This has been attached. Please note that the frameworks might not yet work for the new mechanics as they still haven't been tested. Once tested (tomorrow), I'll upload a new framework group if needed with the corrected mechanics. I'll also sort out tomorrow any cards that were fully coded and don't need any more work done on them.
If you decide to help out, note the cards you intend to check and complete if it's a larger listing, or just note the ones you've done if it's not too many.
I am not working on the art now or in the foreseeable near future. That will be left up to others. If you need help with it, I'll be more than happy to provide any help I can.
EDIT: All cards except for Kozilek, the Great Distortion are done and are ready to be tested. If you test them, please let me know how they work. Note that the low quality art has been added to the art update, so if you get the update, you'll have images, and otherwise, they'll all be blank. The art wasn't handled by me at all (except to write a 10 line program to rename them by removing spaces and special characters). The art was done by p3hndrx.
Also, there are 4 errors that the Deck Builder displays. They can be safely ignored, as I've already dealt with them, but it was after the repack.
- One red mana
, {C}: Ping. They work like the should, suggesting the new colorless mana matters mechanic should work fine, even though it won't 
{1} into only displaying 
, so replacing