[Old confirmed] Bug Archive

[Sonic]

Wow 1970, that was pretty ahead of its time! I'm going to watch that now, thanks

I've got it on DVD. It's not particularly fast paced, but it's quite disturbing none the less. This was the film that set the benchmark for all those later logically perfect megalomaniac computers.

Dave Bowman:"HAL, I won't argue with you anymore. Open the door!!"
HAL9000: "Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye."

[Aswan jaguar]

Describe the Bug:
Avoid Fate is used by AI at least to counter aura's that target my permanent.

Which card did behave improperly ?
Avoid Fate

Which update are you using?(date,name)Which type(Duel,Gauntlet,Sealed Deck)
ML.3.0 - M13V3 SEALED

What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
Avoid Fate counter only instant,aura that target owner of Avoid Fate's permanent.

Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?

[Aswan jaguar]

Describe the Bug:
Noble Vestige prevents damage to creature.

Which card did behave improperly ?
Noble Vestige

Which update are you using?(date,name)Which type(Duel,Gauntlet,Sealed Deck)
MLK3.0-M13V3 SEALED

What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
Noble Vestige prevents only damage to player.

Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?

[Tyranix95]

I. Describe the Bug:

A. Sometimes, a Vesuvan Doppelganger will not copy ("clone") a new creature during player's upkeep. It is as if the card has lost the copy creature card ability.

B. After a Vesuvan Doppelganger has already entered the battlefield, and it copies ("clones") a Hunted Horror, then two 3/3 green Centaur creature tokens with protection from black are put onto the battlefield under target opponent's control (as if the VD/Hunted-Horror entered the battlefield).

The way I see it, the VD has already entered the battlefield and is cloning a Hunted Horror, so the two token Centaur creature should not enter the battle field under opponent's control.

C. After a Vesuvan Doppelganger has entered the battlefied, and it copies a Primeval Titan, then player may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle player's library (as if the VD/Primeval Titan entered the battlefield).

The way I see it, the VD has already entered play, and is copping ("cloning") a Primeval Tital, so the player should not have the option to search his or her library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle player's library.

II. Which card behaved improperly?

Vesuvan Doppelganger.

III. Which update are you using: Date, name? And which game are you playing: Duel, Gauntlet, or Sealed Deck?

Manalink 3.0 : 09162012_m13_v3 : Duel.

IV. What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction?

You may have Vesuvan Doppelganger enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield (Works) except it doesn't copy that creature's color (Works) and it gains "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may have this creature become a copy of target creature (Paritally Works) except it doesn't copy that creature's color (Works). If you do, this creature gains this ability (Partially Works)."

V. Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug?

I do not know.

But, Hunted Horror and Primeval Titan seem to work fine.

VI. Save Game(s).

[stassy]

You are right about the ruling for copying creatures with "enter the battlefield" as mentioned in the ruling :

706.4. Some effects cause a permanent that’s copying a permanent to copy a different object while remaining on the battlefield. The change doesn’t trigger enters-the-battlefield or leaves-the-battlefield abilities. This also doesn’t change any noncopy effects presently affecting the permanent.

However, you know that creature copy spell effect such as Clone are extremely difficult to make, and I suspect it's currently coded as "put a copy of target into bf", hence the trigger.

Also I couldn't see the VD ability disabled from your savegame while running 3 turn copying Hunted Horrors, is it random or fixed disability?

[Aswan jaguar]

The only time Vesuvan Doppelganger didn't copy a creature in my tests is when you copy some creatures with an activated ability (those who steal creatures for sure)so if you decide to use copy ability first and then native ability copy fails.If you first use native ability and then copy it works.

[Tyranix95]

When I play a game, sometimes, after a VD shapeshifts ("coppies") into anothter creature card, the shapeshifter seems to get stuck in the form of the coppied card and can not shapeshift into another creature card (durning my upkeep).

This almost always occurs after a Preacher or Seasinger has been copied; however, I have also seen this happen after a Hunted Horror and Primeval Titan has been coppied.

It is as if either the dopple menu is no longer present, or if the dopple menu is present then selecting a new creature to shapeshift into does not cause the shapeshifter to copy the selected card. So, the VD appears to be "stuck" in it's current creature form.

I understand such a card is complex. But, the more information the better. Perhaps this will be a simple fix. (Crossing fingers for good luck. ) And again, if I'm doing someting wrong, please feel free to correct.

Thanks again for your your review.

[stassy]

Unfortunately, after checking ONR, Grafdigger's Cage still cannot prevent Animate Dead to fetch a creature from gy and neither Ground Seal or Call of the Wild to put creature from library into bf

[Althuna]

Still no Ninjitsu on this dude.

[BAgate]

Describe the Bug:
Curse of Bloodletting doesn't double damage.

Which card did behave improperly ?
Curse of Bloodletting

Which update are you using?(date,name)Which type(Duel,Gauntlet,Sealed Deck)
Nov. 11 update

What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
All damage should be doubled.

Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
no

[stassy]

Not everyone can be Naruto you know...

Anyway it's confirmed and seems to be only Silent-Blade Oni is affected (RuleEngine should highlight at interrupt blocker phase) because Ninja of the Deep Hours is not.

[stassy]

As of ONR, Nezumi Shortfang still doesn't flip when opponent has an empty hand.

[BAgate]

Describe the Bug:
When you use Curse of Misfortunes to search your library for a curse random things happen. I have had my opponent's deck get shuffled and the game crash, I've had the curse searched for get immediately sacrificed along with several lands and most of my hand, and sometimes it works fine.

Which card did behave improperly ?
Curse of Misfortunes

Which update are you using?(date,name)Which type(Duel,Gauntlet,Sealed Deck)
ONR

What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
The game shouldn't crash, nothing should get sacrificed, and your opponent's deck should not get shuffled.

Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
no

I've included a save game although don't know how helpful it will be. As I said, the effect appears to vary.

[Gargaroz]

It works for me, so it's an interaction with another card.

[Gargaroz]

I suspect an interaction with another cards, could you please test in a clean game or post a screen-capture ?