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[fixed by Gargaroz]Abundance

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 09:23
by 0rion79
Describe the Bug:
Abundance does not always works as supposed. Occasionally, it stops working at all after a couple of rounds. Also, interaction with other cards is messy: I was using it in Constructed too, with Rowen. At the beginning, it was going fine, because I could choose which enchantment activate first and so I would use Abundance to choose "Land" and Rowen to draw twice. Then the game forced me to trigger Rowen first. When I added Sylvan Library, I couldn't understand anything because it was a total mess (probably unfixable).

Which card did behave improperly ?
Abundance

Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed & Custom, last release

What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
Abundance should work each time I draw a card. Also,

Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Sylvan Library (which occasionally is still messed up by Rules Engine), Rowen (most likely, this last one in Custom only).

[fixed by Gatgaroz]Lovisa Coldeyes interaction- Warriors

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 10:23
by 0rion79
Describe the Bug:
As you can see from the attached image, Lovisa Coldeyes behaves unproperly with Warrior creatures. As far as I've seen so far, she activates the +2/+2 ability more or less as primal forcemage: "when another barbarian, warrior or berserker creature enters the battlefield under your controll, all other creatures of those types get +2/+2 until end of turn."

Ver: Custom updated with 17 July 2011 v.2 patch

Re: [confirmed]Glissa the Traitor

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 11:25
by Aswan jaguar
Glissa the Traitor doesn't have the Zombie subtype she has only the Legendary,Elf in the editor.

Re: [confirmed]Glissa the Traitor

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 13:35
by Gargaroz
I can fix that via an hack to the code.
As usual, if someone can provide a list of every creature affected by this issue (aka cards with more than 2 subtypes or 2 subtypes + supertype Legend), I could include them all.

Re: [fixed by Gargaroz]EDH format and Child of Alara

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 13:36
by Gargaroz
Ah, I could fix that too but, you know, Emraukul is banned from EDH.

Re: Lovisa Coldeyes interaction with Warriors

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 13:40
by Gargaroz
Bad coding is bad, I'll fix that.
Edit : Fixed.

Re: [fixed by Gargaroz]EDH format and Child of Alara

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 15:07
by 0rion79
Gargaroz wrote:Ah, I could fix that too but, you know, Emraukul is banned from EDH.
But what about Karn? O_o And the other Legendary Eldrazican't be used as well.

Anyway, just for the joy of conversation, why Emrakul can't be used as Commander?

Re: [confirmed]Glissa the Traitor

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011, 21:49
by Sonic
Constructed
2 Radha, Heir to Keld Legendary Creature - Elf Warrior
7 Akroma, Angel of Fury Legendary Creature - Angel
21 Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind Legendary Creature - Dragon Wizard
180 Ezuri, Renegade Leader Legendary Creature - Elf Warrior
183 Higure, the Still Wind Legendary Creature - Human Ninja
207 Sliver Overlord Legendary Creature - Sliver Mutant
215 Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni Legendary Creature - Rat Ninja
279 Ruhan of the Fomori Legendary Creature - Giant Warrior
345 Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero Legendary Creature - Human Rebel
355 Ertai, Wizard Adept Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
554 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage Legendary Creature - Human Spellshaper
580 Karador, Ghost Chieftain Legandary Creature - Centaur Spirit
719 Sapling of Colfenor Legendary Creature - Treefolk Shaman
759 Viscera Dragger Creature - Zombie Ogre Warrior
762 Steward of Valeron Creature - Human Druid Knight
784 Phantom Nishoba Creature - Cat Beast Spirit
799 Nomad Mythmaker Creature - Human Nomad Cleric
937 Venser, Shaper Savant Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
954 Scion of the Ur-Dragon Legendary Creature - Dragon Avatar
976 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon Legendary Creature - Dragon Skeleton
1094 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge Legendary Creature - Zombie Knight
1112 Cao Cao, Lord of Wei Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
1118 Thrun, the Last Troll* Legendary Creature - Troll Shaman
1128 Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
1150 Vendilion Clique Legendary Creature - Faerie Wizard
1303 Riku of Two Reflections Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
1305 Kaalia of the Vast Legendary Creature - Human Cleric
1334 Experiment Kraj Legendary Creature - Ooze Mutant
1415 Rafiq of the Many Legendary Creature - Human Knight
1481 Kaysa Legendary Creature - Elf Druid
1482 Tolsimir Wolfblood Legendary Creature - Elf Warrior
1598 Edric, Spymaster of Trest Legendary Creature - Elf Rogue
1601 Doran, the Siege Tower Legendary Creature - Treefolk Shaman
1603 Jeska, Warrior Adept Legendary Creature - Human Warrior Barbarian
1675 Progenitus Legendary Creature - Hydra Avatar
1972 Mystic Enforcer Creature - Human Nomad Mystic

Limited
695 Kasimir the Lone Wolf Legendary Creature - Human Warrior
761 Johan Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
874 Bladewing the Risen Legendary Creature - Dragon Zombie
880 Captain Sisay Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
912 Thelon of Havenwood Legendary Creature - Elf Druid
1481 Kaysa Legendary Creature - Elf Druid
1482 Tolsimir Wolfblood Legendary Creature - Elf Warrior
1532 Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet Legendary Creature - Vampire Warrior

Do you need the creatures for the GY mod?

Re: [fixed by Gargaroz]EDH format and Child of Alara

PostPosted: 30 Jul 2011, 03:58
by stassy
From Sheldon Menery, level 5 judge about off colour commander :

BANNED
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

This is one on which we listened heavily to what the community was saying, and nearly without exception, everyone hates Emrakul. It’s a card that makes the game devolve into a war over a single card whenever it hits the table. Add to that the fact that its combination of abilities made is seriously unfun to play against. We had already had our eye on it, and when the community spoke, we listened.


RULES UPDATE
Color Identity (which will be added to the Magic Comprehensive Rules)

Rule #2 is amended as follows:
When building a Commander deck, the mana symbols in the text box are just as important as those in the cost of a card. The Commander’s color identity restricts what cards may appear in the deck.

* The color identity of a card is the colors of all mana symbols on the card, along with any color defined by a characteristic-defining ability (CDA) in the card's rules text.

* Cards in your deck may not have any colors in their color identity not shared by your Commander.

* Mana you produce of colors that are not in your Commander’s color identity is colorless instead.

* Mana symbols in reminder text are not part of color identity.

The major impact here is that there are a few Legendary Creatures who no longer invalidate themselves as Commanders: Memnarch, Bosh, Iron Golem, Thelon of Havenwood, Daughter of Autumn, and Rhys, the Exiled. It means that you can have these creatures as Commanders, and you can generate mana of their color identity (so if you’re playing Memnarch, you can generate blue mana, or if you’re playing Thelon, you can generate black and green).

The RC spends quite some time considering the needs of the format itself and the voices of the format’s player base, making an effort to strike the balance that while keep the format strong and healthy for a long, long time.

Re: [confirmed]Glissa the Traitor

PostPosted: 30 Jul 2011, 12:55
by Gargaroz
Yup, if you don't mind, yes.

Re: [confirmed]Glissa the Traitor

PostPosted: 30 Jul 2011, 20:11
by Sonic
Not at all.

GY
367 Grandmother Sengir Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
655 Marton Stromgald Legendary Creature - Human Knight
761 Johan Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
912 Thelon of Havenwood Legendary Creature - Elf Druid
928 Arcum Dagsson Legendary Creature - Human Artificier
933 Boreal Druid Snow Creature - Elf Druid
945 Darien, King of Kjeldor Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
977 Lovisa Coldeyes Legendary Creature - Human Barbarian
994 Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper Legendary Creature - Orc Shaman
1000 Zur the Enchanter Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
1048 Purraj of Urborg Legendary Creature - Cat Warrior
1093 Hivis of the Scale Legendary Creature - Viashino Shaman
1095 Rashida Scalebane Legendary Creature - Human Soldier
1100 Zirilan of the Claw Legendary Creature - Viashino Shaman
1213 Maraxus of Keld Legendary Creature - Human Warrior
1235 Veteran Explorer Creature - Human Soldier Scout
1268 Commander Greven il-Vec Legendary Creature - Human Warrior
1311 Orim, Samite Healer Legendary Creature - Human Cleric
1318 Ranger en-Vec Creature - Human Soldier Archer
1351 Vhati il-Dal Legendary Creature - Human Warrior
1375 Nomads en-Kor Creature - Kor Nomad Soldier
1385 Shaman en-Kor Creature - Kor Shaman Cleric
1404 Warrior en-Kor Creature - Kor Warrior Knight
1470 Thalakos Scout Creature - Thalakos Soldier Scout
1481 Kaysa Legendary Creature - Elf Druid
1498 Ertai, Wizard Adept Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
1499 Haakon, Stromgald Scourge Legendary Creature - Zombie Knight
1631 Barrin, Master Wizard Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
1679 Monk Idealist Creature - Human Monk Cleric
1680 Monk Realist Creature - Human Monk Cleric
1705 Combat Medic Creature - Human Cleric Soldier
1755 Icatian Scout Creature - Human Soldier Scout
1776 Thelonite Druid Creature - Human Cleric Druid
1777 Thelonite Monk Creature - Insect Monk Cleric
1913 Rayne, Academy Chancellor* Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
1916 Reliquary Monk Creature - Human Cleric Monk

I should say - the 3 lists are the most obvious cards filtered from the all three csv files.
I can pretty well guarantee that the list is not complete, as many of the older 'Type Text' entries were originally shortened to stop the confusion over which creature types were actually active on a card.

So if anyone, notices any glaring omissions to the list, feel free to add the card with the game version, the creatures full name and its full type text.

Ta.

Re: [confirmed]Glissa the Traitor

PostPosted: 31 Jul 2011, 13:34
by 0rion79
Lol :) Thank you, Sonic! :) And have a good job, Gargaroz :)) Since you have been able to code Chameleon Colossus, I was next to ask you the same thing... even better if you may also fix Rise from the Grave and similar spells. Actually, it doesn't give the Zombie subtype and is a little bit limited.

[fixed by Gargaroz]EDH and 3-colors Generals

PostPosted: 31 Jul 2011, 13:36
by 0rion79
Hi. I don't know if it is a bug, but I can't run any commander game with 3+ colors decks.
I've tried to use Xira Arien as first general, but the usual error message appears each time. Then, I've tried to remove suspicious cards but nothing, so I've tried with other 3-colors generals in different decks and still nothing.
Is it the same bug with Child of Alara?

Re: EDH and 3-colors Generals

PostPosted: 31 Jul 2011, 14:20
by Aswan jaguar
Check better the cards in your decks I used Xira Arien in the past Octobers tournament and if you change the 2 blue cards which have replaced others with Chainers Edict for example to have 105 cards it works like a charm,now.

Re: EDH and 3-colors Generals

PostPosted: 31 Jul 2011, 14:37
by Gargaroz
I tried Riku of Two Reflections and is working fine.
Could you post the decks, so we can try them for ourselves ?