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Troll Ascetic-(unsolved-approximation status*)
by stassy » 11 Apr 2011, 10:53
Describe the Bug:
Troll Ascetic will fizzle spell casted againt opponent instead of being unable to be targeted (meaning the card is wasted instead of getting an error message).
Also Contagion Clasp is able to put an infect token onto him (don't know if it's legal, couldn't find a ref in the rulebook about it)
Which card did behave improperly ?
Troll Ascetic
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed April 1st
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
An error message should appear and prevent the player from casting a spell against Troll Ascetic (Illegal target (abilities)).
Contagion Clasp shouldn't be able to target Troll Ascetic(?)
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Contagion Clasp
Troll Ascetic will fizzle spell casted againt opponent instead of being unable to be targeted (meaning the card is wasted instead of getting an error message).
Also Contagion Clasp is able to put an infect token onto him (don't know if it's legal, couldn't find a ref in the rulebook about it)
Which card did behave improperly ?
Troll Ascetic
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed April 1st
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
An error message should appear and prevent the player from casting a spell against Troll Ascetic (Illegal target (abilities)).
Contagion Clasp shouldn't be able to target Troll Ascetic(?)
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Contagion Clasp
Last edited by Aswan jaguar on 21 Apr 2011, 12:01, edited 4 times in total.
Reason: rename-unsolved -approximation status
Reason: rename-unsolved -approximation status
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Re: Troll Ascetic
by Aswan jaguar » 11 Apr 2011, 12:46
I've got a bit confused about this card and how it works.
I believe Contagion Clasp targets so it shouldn't be able to target Troll Ascetic also I was able to target it with Angel of Despair CIP effect which I think is also wrong if anyone has better understanding or found rules that clarify this please report it.
I believe Contagion Clasp targets so it shouldn't be able to target Troll Ascetic also I was able to target it with Angel of Despair CIP effect which I think is also wrong if anyone has better understanding or found rules that clarify this please report it.
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Re: [confirm both]Troll Ascetic
by Gargaroz » 11 Apr 2011, 12:49
The "troll shroud" is approximated and works only for spells. This is unfixable right now.
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Re: [confirm both]Troll Ascetic
by Aswan jaguar » 11 Apr 2011, 12:57
Can you fix the first part so spells find it as illegal target when you target it so that they don't get spent in vain?
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Re: [confirm both]Troll Ascetic
by stassy » 12 Apr 2011, 03:35
The problem is that it's not your usual shroud, since the owner should be able to cast spells on his own Troll Ascetic, and the illegal message would appear only with protection/shroud ability.
I was a bit surprised about this card being coded since we had already approximation problems with protection card, well if it's unfixable it just need a * near the name I guess =/
I was a bit surprised about this card being coded since we had already approximation problems with protection card, well if it's unfixable it just need a * near the name I guess =/
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Thrun -(unsolved-approximation* status)
by Megres » 19 Apr 2011, 17:09
Describe the Bug:
The Shriekmaw played for its evoke cost can target and destroy Thrun the Last Troll, ignoring the fact that Thrun can't be the target of opponent's spells and abilities.
Which card did behave improperly ?
Shriekmaw and/or Thrun.
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed, 1 april 2011.
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
The Shriekmaw can't target your opponent's Thrun.
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Maybe other untargettable (is this a real word?) creature.
I didn't verify if the Shriekmaw can target Thrun if played normally.
Edit: the AI killed Thrun even with Tendrils of Corruption.
The Shriekmaw played for its evoke cost can target and destroy Thrun the Last Troll, ignoring the fact that Thrun can't be the target of opponent's spells and abilities.
Which card did behave improperly ?
Shriekmaw and/or Thrun.
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed, 1 april 2011.
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
The Shriekmaw can't target your opponent's Thrun.
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Maybe other untargettable (is this a real word?) creature.
I didn't verify if the Shriekmaw can target Thrun if played normally.
Edit: the AI killed Thrun even with Tendrils of Corruption.
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Re: Shriekmaw and Thrun
by Gargaroz » 21 Apr 2011, 10:07
The "troll shroud" is an approximation and probably cannot be improved. I'll sign with "*" both Thrun and Ascetic Troll on the next update.
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Re: Thrun -(unsolved-aproximation* status)
by Dave » 21 Apr 2011, 11:07
Just a line of thougth here from a lazy player. Is it possible to create some way of info from inside the game about the '*'?
For example: I right-click on a card with '*' in its name. A contextmenu appears with 'Cardproblem' or something like that. When i click that option, it opens a little window with the description of the problem?
I know i could search that kind of info in this forum, but as I said: i'm lazy.. and i want to keep playing your excellent game
For example: I right-click on a card with '*' in its name. A contextmenu appears with 'Cardproblem' or something like that. When i click that option, it opens a little window with the description of the problem?
I know i could search that kind of info in this forum, but as I said: i'm lazy.. and i want to keep playing your excellent game
Re: Thrun -(unsolved-approximation* status)
by Aswan jaguar » 21 Apr 2011, 11:59
As for now there are already cards with * in their name to indicate they don't work exactly as they should.Of course when you see such a card you don't know what doesn't work right.Developers though when they release an update they mention what cards are an approximation and what doesn't work as it should.Maybe you can make a list of such cards and have it on your desk.
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[confirmed]Yawgmoth's Will-evoke costs[unsolvable]
by Aswan jaguar » 24 Apr 2011, 17:18
Describe the Bug:
You can't play the evoke cost of Shriekmaw form Graveyard using Yawgmoth's Will it doesn't let you even though you have the right mana (1B) for it.
Which card did behave improperly ?
Yawgmoth's Will
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed April 01
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
I should be able using Yawgmoth's Will to cast the evoke cost of Shriekmaw
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Other cards with evoke costs.(Cloudthresher,Mulldrifter,Reveillark)=tested all these cards have the same bug.
You can't play the evoke cost of Shriekmaw form Graveyard using Yawgmoth's Will it doesn't let you even though you have the right mana (1B) for it.
Which card did behave improperly ?
Yawgmoth's Will
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed April 01
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
I should be able using Yawgmoth's Will to cast the evoke cost of Shriekmaw
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Other cards with evoke costs.(Cloudthresher,Mulldrifter,Reveillark)=tested all these cards have the same bug.
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Reason: confirmed -unsolvable
Reason: confirmed -unsolvable
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Re: Yawgmoth's Will-evoke costs
by Aswan jaguar » 24 Apr 2011, 19:27
Extra bugs:
Mulldrifter = when you play it with Yawgmoth's Will from Graveyard you have to pay it's full mana (U4) and it asks for 2 more (the rest from evoke cost)or it is sacrificed.
Shriekmaw = when you play it with Yawgmoth's Will from Graveyard you
have to pay it's full mana (B4) but works as evoke and after it destroys a creature it gets sacrificed.You have to pay 3 more (the rest from evoke cost)or it doesn't stay in game.
Cloudthrasser = when you play it with Yawgmoth's Will from Graveyard you
have to pay it's full mana (2GGGG) but works as evoke if you don't pay another
(GG)to stay in the game.
Note:Reveillark doesn't have this bug.
Mulldrifter = when you play it with Yawgmoth's Will from Graveyard you have to pay it's full mana (U4) and it asks for 2 more (the rest from evoke cost)or it is sacrificed.
Shriekmaw = when you play it with Yawgmoth's Will from Graveyard you
have to pay it's full mana (B4) but works as evoke and after it destroys a creature it gets sacrificed.You have to pay 3 more (the rest from evoke cost)or it doesn't stay in game.
Cloudthrasser = when you play it with Yawgmoth's Will from Graveyard you
have to pay it's full mana (2GGGG) but works as evoke if you don't pay another
(GG)to stay in the game.
Note:Reveillark doesn't have this bug.
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Re: [checked] Phyrexian Crusader [not solved]
by ALEX Ryugami » 25 Apr 2011, 13:49
By the way, I think infect cards have problems with any card that triggers during combat damage like Sword of Fire and Ice and its friends. I doubt if I have to make another thread about it since this thread also covers similar problem.
Below is the save game so you can know what's going wrong
Below is the save game so you can know what's going wrong
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Re: Yawgmoth's Will-evoke costs
by stassy » 28 Apr 2011, 06:50
I can confirm for Shriekmaw, and also Yawgmoth's Will will go into out of play if no card is available to play in the graveyard
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Re: Yawgmoth's Will-evoke costs
by Gargaroz » 28 Apr 2011, 12:33
This bug isn't currently solvable and Yawgmoth's Will is an approximation (it has the "*" in the name).
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[unfixable]Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
by stassy » 04 May 2011, 05:46
Describe the Bug:
If Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is casted and if Library of Leng is already on the opponent battlefield, the maximum size effect will not occur.
Which card did behave improperly ?
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed, 3th May
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
According to the Library of Leng rule as of 10/01/2009 :
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Library of Leng, any other effect with max hand size maybe too, like Spellbook, Cursed Rack or Recycle.
If Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is casted and if Library of Leng is already on the opponent battlefield, the maximum size effect will not occur.
Which card did behave improperly ?
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
Which Version did you use ?(Constructed, Limited)and which update(date,name)
Constructed, 3th May
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction ?
According to the Library of Leng rule as of 10/01/2009 :
The maximum hand size effect should override Library of Leng effect if Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is casted after Library of LengIf multiple effects modify your hand size, apply them in timestamp order. For example, if you put Null Profusion (an enchantment that says your maximum hand size is two) onto the battlefield and then put Library of Leng onto the battlefield, you'll have no maximum hand size. However, if those permanents entered the battlefield in the opposite order, your maximum hand size would be two.
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug ?
Library of Leng, any other effect with max hand size maybe too, like Spellbook, Cursed Rack or Recycle.
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Reason: bug unfixable
Reason: bug unfixable
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