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Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 13 May 2016, 19:17
by timmermac
@kudit: My pm response to your reply is stuck in my outbox, so I am going to post it here: hq or xlhq is fine. If you could batch rename xlhq's to .full.jpg, that would work as well. I've been trying to find an android-compatible renaming tool, but nothing I've encountered works without issues.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 16 May 2016, 02:44
by rotarydials
kudit wrote:I'm sorry. I've been busy with other stuff lately. I should have some more time later in a couple weeks to get more of the scans done. The boxes are done and up.
No problem! Didn't mean to imply that you weren't scanning, just figured I'd wait to send these next boxes until you had gotten through some of them first.

Speaking of which - here are the STILL SEALED 1997 decks, three of them anyways. WOOT.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 17 May 2016, 05:46
by kudit
No worries. Just didn't want you to think I was secretly enjoying the decks or something! More in 2 weeks...

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 05 Aug 2016, 04:01
by rotarydials
So, just to give this thread a bump and answer a question asked, I thought I might take a moment and post pictures of the blank cards included with the Pro Tour and World Championship decks over the years.

Notes on the pictures:
1) Each pictured card is from a deck that was purchased sealed, so I'm confident that those are the blank cards that represent the print run.
2) I checked multiple cards within the deck, and if I had multiple sealed decks from that year, I compared them, to make sure the pictured card sample was representative.

Both of these conditions are important, as I found that the blank cards in the decks don't agree with Magic Librarities in one case.

Regarding the quantity of blank cards per deck (in case you were wondering):
1996 Pro Tour decks I-VIII: 13 blank cards each
1997-2004 World Championship decks: 12 blank cards each

Finally, we'll use some terms to describe the blank cards:
5ED frame without a bevel
5ED frame without a bevel.jpg

5ED frame with a bevel
5ED frame with a bevel.jpg

8ED frame
8ED frame.jpg


So, without further ado: all 1996-2004 decks!
001 all the decks (Large).jpg


And finding I can only post a maximum of 10 images per post, I move on to the next one.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 05 Aug 2016, 04:18
by rotarydials
Breaking down each year:
1996 - 5ED frame with a bevel
1996 - 5ED frame with a bevel.JPG

1997 - 5ED frame without a bevel
1997 - 5ED frame without a bevel.JPG

1998 - 5ED frame without a bevel
1998 - 5ED frame without a bevel.JPG

1999 - 5ED frame without a bevel
1999 - 5ED frame without a bevel.JPG
* Magic Librarities listed Kai Budde's 1999 deck blank cards to have a "with bevel" printing, while other blank cards from other decks that year did not. I did not find this to be the case; my Kai Budde deck blank cards were the same as the other decks.

2000 - 5ED frame without a bevel
2000 - 5ED frame without a bevel.JPG
So, year 2000... same as all the other cards without bevel... but wait, what's that?
year 2000 wavy lines.jpg
Best I can tell is that there was some weird image template thing going on with year 2000. It looks like it could be moire from the camera, but it's not; it's printed that way. I do seem to remember some poorly pixelated art from Mercadian Masques or other sets... maybe just a sign of the times?

2001 - 5ED frame without a bevel
2001 - 5ED frame without a bevel.JPG

2002 - 5ED frame with a bevel
2002 - 5ED frame with a bevel.JPG

2003 - 8ED frame
2003 - 8ED frame.JPG

2004 - 8ED frame
2004 - 8ED frame.JPG


And that's what I know for now.

Scans of the blank cards will be included with the other deck images... which are in-progress, I believe.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 05 Aug 2016, 05:53
by charlequin
Yes, we're in the process of producing the decks and should start to actually release them pretty soon.

rotarydials, can you actually provide a scan of the three types of blank cards? I believe we missed most of them in the mass scanning of the decks.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 06 Aug 2016, 04:10
by dragsamou
rotarydials wrote:Both of these conditions are important, as I found that the blank cards in the decks don't agree with Magic Librarities in one case.

1999 - 5ED frame without a bevel * Magic Librarities listed Kai Budde's 1999 deck blank cards to have a "with bevel" printing, while other blank cards from other decks that year did not. I did not find this to be the case; my Kai Budde deck blank cards were the same as the other decks.
Hi

As I was not the one that added that subsection or did opened that Kai Budde's deck back in the years, but I totally trust that info. I went to look back at what you mentioned:

Usually all blank cards are identical in each deck. However, in case of the 1999 World Championships deck by Kai Budde, a single blank card with bevelled edges was inserted, while all other blank cards of the deck have plain edges.
So, 12 Blank cards in Kai Budde's deck. Out of the 12:
11 blank cards frame without a bevel
1 blank card with a bevel

To make sure when yours was opened:
12 blank cards frame without a bevel

Looks like, that when it comes to that specific deck, 2 variants exist then. Question is, was that a lonely case or from one to another Kai Budde's deck (or another deck), you can find the 2 variants ?

I can't help on that matter, all the World Championships Decks that I own belong to my sealed collection. It will be interesting to find out so I can modify the info in the index.

One question, why do you name them 5Th Edition Frame ?

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 06 Aug 2016, 05:14
by charlequin
dragsamou wrote:One question, why do you name them 5Th Edition Frame ?
In the sets before 5E, the borders were inconsistent in exact size and formatting across individual sets, so just for purposes of processing card images I think of these as the "5E frames" since that's when this format and size was standardized for sets up until they replaced the frame in 8E.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 06 Aug 2016, 05:39
by dragsamou
Hi

So, I went to find pics of the blank cards on the internet for the 1999 Tokyo Decks and this is what I find. I don't know from which deck (s) it comes from but out of the ones, there's indeed one with a bevel so reconfirming that variants exist and that it's not a lonely case.

PS: If you look for the original pics, just type on "The Bay":
MtG-Magic-the-Gathering-12-Blank-World-Championship-Proxy-Alter-Card-1999-Tokyo

Image

Image

Image
Also looks to me that the pixels look weird.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 07 Aug 2016, 20:10
by rotarydials
dragsamou wrote:So, 12 Blank cards in Kai Budde's deck. Out of the 12:
11 blank cards frame without a bevel
1 blank card with a bevel

To make sure when yours was opened:
12 blank cards frame without a bevel
So, here's the point where I smack my forehead - I hadn't realized that ONE of the twelve blank cards had the bevel! I made the assumption <insert relevant quote about assumptions here> that ALL 12 cards in Kai's 1999 deck had the bevel, hence my note about disagreeing with the Magic Librarities page.

BUT - sure enough, going back into the deck - I have 11 cards without a bevel, and 1 blank card with bevel.

SO-> no 2 variant situation, thankfully.

Still -> how weird is it that ONE blank with bevels slipped into the 1999 decks? #-o

dragsamou wrote:One question, why do you name them 5Th Edition Frame ?
Regarding this, agree with charlequin's explanation; also, skibulk used this terminology, so I just ran with it.

Sorry for the overall confusion!

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 08 Aug 2016, 07:06
by dragsamou
rotarydials wrote:BUT - sure enough, going back into the deck - I have 11 cards without a bevel, and 1 blank card with bevel.

SO-> no 2 variant situation, thankfully.

Still -> how weird is it that ONE blank with bevels slipped into the 1999 decks? #-o
Hi

All fine, I should rephrase the sentence on Magiclibrarities Index if it was confusing, but as it was never mentioned before, I'm aware of it now and will do for better clarification, info is already in the Image tabs.

There's only a variant then in Kai Budde's deck. This is indeed a real mystery, but with WotC, I'm not surprised. The only Gold Border Filler Card came from 2003 World Championships Wolfgang Eder deck. It was in place of a Goblin Piledriver in the Wolfgang Eder deck.

Please double check for all the others Support cards, hoping there's not another surprise, but normally it should be accurate in that subsection.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2016, 04:36
by rotarydials
Any update on this? i know it's low priority, but its been a few months since we've heard anything.

All those new releases, new cards, etc.! =)

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2016, 04:40
by Fizz
rotarydials wrote:Any update on this? i know it's low priority, but its been a few months since we've heard anything.

All those new releases, new cards, etc.! =)
The World Championship decks have all been released in the CCGHQ More Releases folder.

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2016, 04:43
by rotarydials
Oh good deal! I click some of the other mega links I had saved, but didn't have this one. Thanks!

Re: World Championship Decks (WCD) 1997-2004

PostPosted: 17 Nov 2016, 04:55
by charlequin
This was good timing asking, as the last piece (the Pro Tour decks) will be going up tonight.