Monop's Officially Dead Manalink Bug Compilation

[aww1979]

With Kitchen Finks (1 persist counter) and Tolsimir Wolfblood and Wilt-Leaf Liege in play on my side, Finks died in combat, but did not return with 2 persist counters; it stayed dead.

[Salbei]

bug:
- kitchen finks comes into play with a -1/-1 counter after getting countered (counterspell)

- standstill
it should trigger as soon as the card is put onto the stack. currently if you want to counter a spell while standstill is in play you can´t without breaking the standstill (-> opponent will draw the cards instead of you).

[aww1979]

I cast Yawgmoth's Will and cannot get the Figure of Destiny in my graveyard to cast with white mana, only red.

Also, just a typo, but the text has figure of destiny reading that it needs 5x W/R to activate the last ability, but requires 6 ingame to do it. Checking the official card, it is 6.

[tiger]

Dauthi Slayer isn't forced to attack when able.

[Snacko]

With Kitchen Finks (1 persist counter) and Tolsimir Wolfblood and Wilt-Leaf Liege in play on my side, Finks died in combat, but did not return with 2 persist counters; it stayed dead.

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420.5n - If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it. CompRules 2006/10/01

Tolsimir Wolfblood and Wilt-Leaf Liege have static abilities that generate +1/+1. You need counters if you want them cancel each other and bring back your Finks ex. Juniper Order Ranger

[aww1979]

Actually, what should happen (or what did happen several years ago) is that the Finks would be in play with two -1/-1 counters and remain alive due to the abilities of the liege and wolfblood in play.

You used to be able to, for example (and still can, as far as I know, but I could be wrong) Animate Dead a Rock Hydra, and have it stay alive if a Castle or Gauntlet of Might or similar card were in play. This would be the same thing, unless someone at Wizards has changed the rules since then.

[aww1979]

AI was casting Craw Wurm, and in response I activated Aether Vial, put Meddling Mage into play, and named Craw Wurm. The Craw Wurm still came into play.

[Snacko]

Actually, what should happen (or what did happen several years ago) is that the Finks would be in play with two -1/-1 counters and remain alive due to the abilities of the liege and wolfblood in play.

You used to be able to, for example (and still can, as far as I know, but I could be wrong) Animate Dead a Rock Hydra, and have it stay alive if a Castle or Gauntlet of Might or similar card were in play. This would be the same thing, unless someone at Wizards has changed the rules since then.

This is not how persist works. It checks if there are any -1/-1 counters on the creature when it goes to the graveyard.

[EviL_CLonE]

AI was casting Craw Wurm, and in response I activated Aether Vial, put Meddling Mage into play, and named Craw Wurm. The Craw Wurm still came into play.

That's how Mage work. Spells being casted still resolve if a Mage comes into play in response.

[aww1979]

Snacko: Ok, fair enough. I'm not very familiar with persist; it just seemed more intuitive the way I figured it would work.

EvilClone: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I remember some high level tournament winner deck that used exactly that trick.

[EviL_CLonE]

Yes, I'm sure. If the spell is being casted, that's because it has been already "played" (Which means the same), so Mage ability "Can't be played" can't check it.
That's how it works, sorry that I can't express myself in a better english to explain it using the correct wording; I speak Spanish

[mathusalem]

Snacko: Ok, fair enough. I'm not very familiar with persist; it just seemed more intuitive the way I figured it would work.

EvilClone: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure I remember some high level tournament winner deck that used exactly that trick.

I see what you are refering to, but Evil clone is right the ruling on the card has been clarified since that tournament, and that trick cannot legally be performed any longer.

[ZyniX69]

I have noticed lately in many of my games the computer will play a Pattern of Rebirth on one of my creatures. I have yet to see it play it on its own.

[mathusalem]

Too bad I don't have a savegame for that one :

I have a medling mage in play I name Desintegrate

The AI has 6 montains in play.
Not only does it cast desintegrate despite the fact that it shouldn't but it casts it with an X = 63..... and in my face of course.

[EviL_CLonE]

Does AI use Meddling Mage? How you notice which card it named?

Edit: Oh, I see... very clever Jatill!