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Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AI base value needed

PostPosted: 13 May 2020, 16:32
by Aswan jaguar
Guys we need help with AI values for AER and AHK cards (for now that is sufficient). This was done by stassy for years but unfortunately he moved on. ( Be happy and well where ever you are man ). Is anyone willing to help and evaluate each card that is not a reprint of cards from previous sets as those already have values? You can see what is needed in development forum.
There are nice guide lines on that topic from stassy which one could follow but not restraining to ones ideas for evaluating the cards:
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=8991
These values help AI at some decisions when searching cards and other AI choices and are used for AI to draft cards in draft play and that is expanded also for sealed games. As it is now if you draft AER and AHK cards you will see that AI will not draft most of them and will fill decks with too many basic lands.

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 14 May 2020, 08:15
by Wally
I'll have a look at what is required and have a crack at AHK in next few days.

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 16 May 2020, 03:48
by Wally
Here's AHK

Points to note:

1. Not sure how you need split cards treated so I've listed each part separately ie Insult and Injury have a line each, in all such cards I've given both parts the same value
2. Where the card is a reprint, I've just written reprint in the value column
3. I dont actually draft myself :P So the values I have used are heavily based upon a pick order here https://www.channelfireball.com/all-str ... -amonkhet/

If you dont get a volunteer for AER I'll do that as well

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 16 May 2020, 07:18
by Aswan jaguar
Thanks for this Wally, as I have mentioned AI uses them also in some in play decisions so not only when it drafts but I guess the evaluation wouldn't be too much different. :D
About split cards although we do give AI some hints for each decision if you think one side would be more beneficiary for AI than the other please give that a small advantage of 5 or 10. forget about that.
Also if you do AER please mention this before hand to give you the list as it is in Manalink.csv without the reprints so it can be inserted easily to Manalink.csv.

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 18 May 2020, 00:18
by Wally
Alrighty I'll do AER. Please send me the list

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 18 May 2020, 15:39
by Aswan jaguar
This is the AER file:

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 19 May 2020, 00:29
by Wally
AER attached:

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 19 May 2020, 05:30
by Aswan jaguar
Thanks, Wally for doing these I really appreciate this. :D

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 13 Jun 2020, 07:39
by Aswan jaguar
Added AER & AHK values in commit 03d7747. This topic belongs in fact in development subforum in "AI card base value" topic but I post here for help as I don't know how many people check development forum. If I remember the procedure to merge it there ( or find how to do it again ) I will. #-o

If anyone can do the values for hour of devastation let me know to provide the file.
Since we are only two people developing and we are not programmers (I haven't done even a single lesson on programming) still we don't understand important pieces of the existing code, the amount of work is immense for every set. Moreover we are around 17 sets behind so you have to know that from hour of devastation and on the plan drool66 has is to focus only on cards that are important for constructed play on each set. As for me after I do everything I can to complete AHK (still a lot to do - huge set) I will try to code some cards from old sets on a very slow pace.

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AER & AHK cards ne

PostPosted: 13 Jun 2020, 12:43
by Wally
Yep, if you can upload the file I'll do HoD as well.

I really appreciate all that you both put into this game and I'm very grateful to have seen the patches of this year. With what went down at the end of 2016 I didn't think there would be another patch.

I've followed Manalink for a very long time now and am happy to help wherever I can. Unfortunately I can't program a single line but wherever I can help in other ways I will. Just let me know.

Re: Volunteer to evaluate cards value for AI base value need

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2021, 07:47
by Aswan jaguar
If anyone can evaluate the cards value for AI for any of the sets from Hour of Devastation and on till Theros Beyond Death – 2020 it would be a great help.
For more info on what is needed check the first post of this topic.
I will provide the lists for any set if anyone volunteers. For Hour of Devastation I forgot to upload the list when Wally volunteered for that. :oops: