New quest decks

[Sloth]

How about a tier 4 Treebeard deck? This is my first attempt at tier 4 so I hope that it is OK.

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Treebeard 4
[general]
constructed
[main]
4 Treefolk Harbinger
2 Lay of the Land
2 Bosk Banneret
2 Frontier Guide
2 Nature's Lore
4 Dungrove Elder
2 Battlewand Oak
2 Wood Elves
2 Kodama's Reach
4 Dauntless Dourbark
1 Leaf-Crowned Elder
2 Skyshroud Claim
2 Uktabi Wildcats
2 Timber Protector
1 Everbark Shaman
1 Orchard Warden
2 Reach of Branches
23 Forest
[sideboard]

This deck is not much harder than the hard version (maybe on the same level). Compared to the other tier 4 decks it's not unfair enough. I don't think this theme is able to support a tier 4 deck.

Some copies of Dungrove Elder should be added to Treebeard 3 though.

[Corwin72]

Sloth I know that you are going to hate these but here are some M12 decks for each color.
I think that we need to look at some easier decks for easy opponents.

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[metadata]
Name=M12Black
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Wring Flesh
4 Blood Seeker
4 Doom Blade
24 Swamp
4 Distress
4 Bloodrage Vampire
4 Sengir Vampire
4 Child of Night
4 Vampire Outcasts
4 Tormented Soul
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12Blue
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 AEther Adept
4 Unsummon
4 Divination
4 Phantasmal Bear
24 Island
2 Harbor Serpent
4 Skywinder Drake
4 Lord of the Unreal
4 Ice Cage
2 Mind Control
4 Phantasmal Dragon
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12Green
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
2 Stampeding Rhino
3 Llanowar Elves
2 Cudgel Troll
24 Forest
2 Fog
1 Jade Mage
2 Giant Spider
2 Dungrove Elder
2 Stingerfling Spider
1 Greater Basilisk
1 Overrun
2 Acidic Slime
2 Lurking Crocodile
3 Garruk's Companion
2 Plummet
2 Titanic Growth
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter
2 Primordial Hydra
3 Naturalize
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12Red
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Goblin Fireslinger
4 Goblin Grenade
4 Manic Vandal
4 Volcanic Dragon
4 Shock
4 Goblin Piker
4 Incinerate
24 Mountain
4 Slaughter Cry
4 Goblin Chieftain
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12White
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Griffin Sentinel
1 Archon of Justice
2 Divine Favor
24 Plains
4 Auramancer
4 Armored Warhorse
1 Serra Angel
2 Arbalest Elite
4 Pride Guardian
4 Stormfront Pegasus
2 Angelic Destiny
2 Day of Judgment
4 Pacifism
2 Spirit Mantle
[sideboard]

[Corwin72]

Here is a Golem deck that could work as a medium deck.

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[metadata]
Name=GolemWhiteBlue
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Oblivion Ring
10 Plains
4 Master Splicer
4 Blade Splicer
4 Divination
4 Glacial Fortress
10 Island
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Wing Splicer
4 Rusted Sentinel
4 Phyrexian Hulk
4 Cancel
[sideboard]

[Chris H.]

Here is a Golem deck that could work as a medium deck.

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[metadata]
Name=GolemWhiteBlue
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Oblivion Ring
10 Plains
4 Master Splicer
4 Blade Splicer
4 Divination
4 Glacial Fortress
10 Island
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Wing Splicer
4 Rusted Sentinel
4 Phyrexian Hulk
4 Cancel
[sideboard]

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Interesting deck. I recently realized that there were enough cards for a golem theme type deck. I just checked the deck editor, wow. There are more of them than I thought. I see that the Artificers from NPH serve as lords.

[Corwin72]

Here is a weak synergy Bloodthirst deck.

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[metadata]
Name=BloodthirstBRM12
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Goblin Fireslinger
10 Swamp
4 Shock
4 Blood Ogre
3 Vampire Outcasts
4 Tormented Soul
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Incinerate
4 Bloodrage Vampire
2 Hideous Visage
3 Gorehorn Minotaurs
10 Mountain
4 Duskhunter Bat
[sideboard]

[Chris H.]

Here is a weak synergy Bloodthirst deck.

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[metadata]
Name=BloodthirstBRM12
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Goblin Fireslinger
10 Swamp
4 Shock
4 Blood Ogre
3 Vampire Outcasts
4 Tormented Soul
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Incinerate
4 Bloodrage Vampire
2 Hideous Visage
3 Gorehorn Minotaurs
10 Mountain
4 Duskhunter Bat
[sideboard]

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Thank you Corwin. We could use a weak Krypto 1 deck to go with the tier 2 and tier 3 Bloodthirst Krypto decks.

We can always use a few more tier 1 decks.

[Sloth]

Sloth I know that you are going to hate these but here are some M12 decks for each color.
I think that we need to look at some easier decks for easy opponents.

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[metadata]
Name=M12Black
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Wring Flesh
4 Blood Seeker
4 Doom Blade
24 Swamp
4 Distress
4 Bloodrage Vampire
4 Sengir Vampire
4 Child of Night
4 Vampire Outcasts
4 Tormented Soul
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12Blue
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 AEther Adept
4 Unsummon
4 Divination
4 Phantasmal Bear
24 Island
2 Harbor Serpent
4 Skywinder Drake
4 Lord of the Unreal
4 Ice Cage
2 Mind Control
4 Phantasmal Dragon
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12Green
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
2 Stampeding Rhino
3 Llanowar Elves
2 Cudgel Troll
24 Forest
2 Fog
1 Jade Mage
2 Giant Spider
2 Dungrove Elder
2 Stingerfling Spider
1 Greater Basilisk
1 Overrun
2 Acidic Slime
2 Lurking Crocodile
3 Garruk's Companion
2 Plummet
2 Titanic Growth
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter
2 Primordial Hydra
3 Naturalize
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12Red
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Goblin Fireslinger
4 Goblin Grenade
4 Manic Vandal
4 Volcanic Dragon
4 Shock
4 Goblin Piker
4 Incinerate
24 Mountain
4 Slaughter Cry
4 Goblin Chieftain
[sideboard]

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[metadata]
Name=M12White
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Griffin Sentinel
1 Archon of Justice
2 Divine Favor
24 Plains
4 Auramancer
4 Armored Warhorse
1 Serra Angel
2 Arbalest Elite
4 Pride Guardian
4 Stormfront Pegasus
2 Angelic Destiny
2 Day of Judgment
4 Pacifism
2 Spirit Mantle
[sideboard]

There are more than fifty sets in the history of magic. In a year or two it will look completely random that these decks are restricted to M12 cards. The Blue deck is absolutely alright though (but I think it's too hard for tier 1).

The Golem deck also looks good.

Here is a weak synergy Bloodthirst deck.

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[metadata]
Name=BloodthirstBRM12
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Goblin Fireslinger
10 Swamp
4 Shock
4 Blood Ogre
3 Vampire Outcasts
4 Tormented Soul
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Incinerate
4 Bloodrage Vampire
2 Hideous Visage
3 Gorehorn Minotaurs
10 Mountain
4 Duskhunter Bat
[sideboard]

This deck won't be used well by the AI (it won't use Shock and Incinerate on the human player until he is close to death). Chris used Kyren Sniper and similar cards.

[Chris H.]

The Blue deck is absolutely alright though (but I think it's too hard for tier 1).

The Golem deck also looks good.

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I think that a tier 3 variant for the blue deck concentrating on the Illusion tribal theme would be nice.

There are a lot of golem cards. Should be able to get at least two different tier decks out of them.

[Chris H.]

This deck won't be used well by the AI (it won't use Shock and Incinerate on the human player until he is close to death). Chris used Kyren Sniper and similar cards.

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There is an un-blockable critter in there, Tormented Soul. I expect that the bloodthirsty spells will be summoned in phase two. It is an interesting twist on the bloodthirst theme.

[Sloth]

I think that a tier 3 variant for the blue deck concentrating on the Illusion tribal theme would be nice.

Yes. I guess all tiers are possible, since there are lots of illusions good and poor in the game. Krovikan Mist is another tribal card besides Lord of the Unreal.

There are a lot of golem cards. Should be able to get at least two different tier decks out of them.

Yes, it would be nice if all 6 splicers would be featured in at least one of the decks.

This deck won't be used well by the AI (it won't use Shock and Incinerate on the human player until he is close to death). Chris used Kyren Sniper and similar cards.

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There is an un-blockable critter in there, Tormented Soul. I expect that the bloodthirsty spells will be summoned in phase two. It is an interesting twist on the bloodthirst theme.

Good point. I didn't notice that. Still some more bloodthirst enablers could replace Shock and Incinerate.

Uh and by the way - Good to see some more contributions from you Corwin.

[Corwin72]

Sorry, I have been around but work has been slammed recently.

I miss being able to build a new SVN every morning.
I don't like the 15 day delayed gratification.

I have not been brewing much these days.

I agree that a ton of set decks would be odd. I do think that we can focus on showing off the keywords and cards that are used in each set. When building from a set I will use cards that I would not usually build with. When looking for a green three drop I would not usually put in Lurking Crocodile but limiting my search to M12 makes that an attractive choice.

As forge gets bigger I would love to see the old magic theme decks show up in forge.

The AI decks should be able to beat me with a good draw but the creatures should not be great. I can't tell you how many times that I was killed with a Grey Ogre in the old Magic Shandalar.

I really like to play against decks that I have to interact with.
I try to create a deck that can put some pressure on the player and back it up with some disruption. I like for the AI decks to be low in curve so that the player can win with larger spells after they stabilize. I hate cards that are not interactive.

I do think that the blue deck is probably too hard with 8 bounce spells and 4 counters. That may be too much disruption against an easy or medium deck because of the undercosted threats. I will see what I can come up with today

[Corwin72]

Here is an easier Blue M12 deck.

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[metadata]
Name=M12Blue
Deck Type=constructed
[main][metadata]
Name=M12Blue
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 AEther Adept
4 Divination
4 Phantasmal Bear
24 Island
4 Aven Fleetwing
4 Kraken's Eye
2 Harbor Serpent
4 Skywinder Drake
4 Lord of the Unreal
2 Mind Control
4 Phantasmal Dragon
[sideboard]

[Corwin72]

Illusion deck?

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[metadata]
Name=Illusion
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Phantom Beast
4 Gossamer Phantasm
4 Illusions of Grandeur
4 Divination
4 Phantasmal Bear
24 Island
4 Lord of the Unreal
4 Illusionary Servant
4 Phantasmal Abomination
4 Phantasmal Dragon
[sideboard]

The image is Dream of the Endless from the Vertigo book Sandman.

[Sloth]

Illusion deck?

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[metadata]
Name=Illusion
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Phantom Beast
4 Gossamer Phantasm
4 Illusions of Grandeur
4 Divination
4 Phantasmal Bear
24 Island
4 Lord of the Unreal
4 Illusionary Servant
4 Phantasmal Abomination
4 Phantasmal Dragon
[sideboard]

The image is Dream of the Endless from the Vertigo book Sandman.

This looks good Corwin. Illusions of Grandeur has no synergy and is generally weak in the hand of the AI though. I would love to see Krovikan Mist instead.
I can't test it at the moment, but my wild guess would be to put it in tier 3.

I think the M12 Blue deck is too similar, but it can be turned into a medium version of the Illusion deck if you want.

I agree that a ton of set decks would be odd. I do think that we can focus on showing off the keywords and cards that are used in each set. When building from a set I will use cards that I would not usually build with. When looking for a green three drop I would not usually put in Lurking Crocodile but limiting my search to M12 makes that an attractive choice.

For me it's the same - I love to use cards that never show up in constructed tournament decks. But for me it's important that the cards work better in our deck than in a random deck. In a word - synergy. I agreed with Chris that restricting the card choices by flavor or set is only acceptable for the tier 1 decks (because too much synergy will normally make them too powerful).

As forge gets bigger I would love to see the old magic theme decks show up in forge.

I would love to see the theme decks available to the human player to start with or to buy in the bazaar. gos is doing a great job in posting the forgeable decklists.

[Chris H.]

I made Sloth's edits to the Illusion deck that Corwin created. I play tested the deck and think that it may be a tier 3. I can add it to the new SVN in a day or two.

This is what I have:

Sandman 3 | Open

Sandman 3
[general]
constructed
[main]
4 Phantom Beast
4 Gossamer Phantasm
4 Krovikan Mist
4 Divination
4 Phantasmal Bear
4 Lord of the Unreal
4 Illusionary Servant
4 Phantasmal Abomination
4 Phantasmal Dragon
1 Mox Sapphire
23 Island
[sideboard]