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Sloth wrote:

tojammot wrote:Also, here's a combo deck based off Norin the Wary:

Waldo | Open

Main:
4 Arid Mesa
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Flooded Strand
1 Mountain
1 Plains
4 Plateau
4 Genesis Chamber
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
4 Norin the Wary
4 Saltskitter
4 Soul Warden
4 Soul's Attendant
4 Suture Priest
4 Impact Tremors
4 Purphoros, God of the Forge
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix

I love that deck! Commited without changes.

This deck is cruel. Thank god I had a Shard Phoenix in play before he started super comboing.

Here is a deck based on the new card Tainted Remedy:

Granny Weatherwax 3 | Open

1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Plateau
4 Scrubland
4 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Tainted Remedy
4 Kavu Predator
3 Needlebite Trap
3 Punishing Fire
4 Grollub
1 Alms Beast
4 Wall of Shards
1 Benevolent Offering
1 Armistice
3 Condemn
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Oust
2 Nature's Claim
2 Devour Flesh

Warrior tribal based on Chief of the Scale and Chief of the Edge

Unnamed | Open

Main:
2 Godless Shrine
2 Isolated Chapel
4 Marsh Flats
4 Plains
4 Scrubland
4 Swamp
3 Battle Brawler
3 Blood-Chin Rager
1 Bloodsoaked Champion
4 Chief of the Edge
4 Chief of the Scale
1 Dragon Hunter
3 Erg Raiders
3 Herald of Dromoka
2 Mardu Woe-Reaper
3 Ogre Marauder
4 Shared Triumph
3 Mortify
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Zealous Persecution
1 Night's Whisper

Could easily be tweaked to being a Human-Warrior tribal. I'll wait until the ORI cards are complete for other decks.

tojammot wrote:Warrior tribal based on Chief of the Scale and Chief of the Edge

Unnamed | Open

Main:
2 Godless Shrine
2 Isolated Chapel
4 Marsh Flats
4 Plains
4 Scrubland
4 Swamp
3 Battle Brawler
3 Blood-Chin Rager
1 Bloodsoaked Champion
4 Chief of the Edge
4 Chief of the Scale
1 Dragon Hunter
3 Erg Raiders
3 Herald of Dromoka
2 Mardu Woe-Reaper
3 Ogre Marauder
4 Shared Triumph
3 Mortify
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Zealous Persecution
1 Night's Whisper

Could easily be tweaked to being a Human-Warrior tribal.

I've added some more cards that add tribal synergy:
+ 2 Arashin Foremost
+ 1 Obsidian Battle-Axe
+ 1 Diplomacy of the Wastes
+ 1 Mardu Woe-Reaper
and diversified some of the other cards that i felt don't need so many copies:
+ 1 Doom Blade
+ 1 Terror
+ 1 Valorous Stance
+ 1 Secure the Wastes
+ 1 Mardu Strike Leader
- 2 Erg Raiders
- 2 Ogre Marauder
- 3 Shared Triumph
- 3 Swords to Plowshares
Result:

Link 3 | Open

2 Godless Shrine
2 Isolated Chapel
4 Marsh Flats
4 Plains
4 Scrubland
4 Swamp
3 Battle Brawler
3 Blood-Chin Rager
1 Bloodsoaked Champion
4 Chief of the Edge
4 Chief of the Scale
1 Dragon Hunter
1 Erg Raiders
3 Herald of Dromoka
3 Mardu Woe-Reaper
1 Ogre Marauder
1 Secure the Wastes
2 Arashin Foremost
1 Mardu Strike Leader
1 Obsidian Battle-Axe
1 Shared Triumph
3 Mortify
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Doom Blade
1 Terror
1 Valorous Stance
1 Zealous Persecution
1 Night's Whisper
1 Diplomacy of the Wastes

tojammot wrote:I'll wait until the ORI cards are complete for other decks.

Yes, ORI is a nice set for deckbuilders, so many different themes.

tojammot wrote:

Skynet | Open

Key Card: March of the Machines
Theme: Noncreature artifacts (usually darksteel)

Main:
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Azorius Cluestone
1 Azorius Signet
4 Darksteel Axe
2 Darksteel Garrison
4 Darksteel Ingot
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Darksteel Reactor
1 Eldrazi Monument
1 Etched Champion
4 Etherium Sculptor
4 Flooded Strand
4 Glacial Fortress
1 Golem's Heart
2 Hallowed Fountain
3 Idyllic Tutor
3 Island
4 March of the Machines
3 Master of Etherium
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Plains
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Tempered Steel
1 Time Walk
4 Tundra
2 War Report
1 Windswept Heath

I had thought about a deck with this theme before, but never finished thinking/started building (how could we not have a March of the Machines deck?). I haven't really tested your version yet, but want to throw around some ideas which i want to test when i have more time: Fieldmist Borderpost, Akroma's Memorial, Norn's Annex, Spear of Heliod, Golem Foundry and maybe Dolmen Gate, Mirrorworks or Cumber Stone.

Sloth wrote:I had thought about a deck with this theme before, but never finished thinking/started building (how could we not have a March of the Machines deck?). I haven't really tested your version yet, but want to throw around some ideas which i want to test when i have more time: Fieldmist Borderpost, Akroma's Memorial, Norn's Annex, Spear of Heliod, Golem Foundry and maybe Dolmen Gate, Mirrorworks or Cumber Stone.

I'll work on it again, in the meantime can you add a medium version of Montgomery Burns? Tainted Remedy should replace his Leyline of Punishment, cutting his colors down to two.

EDIT: It's a bit all over the place but it can set up.

Skynet (Draft) | Open

Main:
2 Ancient Tomb
2 Flooded Strand
5 Island
1 Mishra's Workshop
2 Nimbus Maze
3 Plains
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Tundra
1 Akroma's Memorial
2 Cumber Stone
1 Darksteel Axe
1 Darksteel Brute
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Darksteel Juggernaut
2 Dolmen Gate
3 Fieldmist Borderpost
2 Golem Foundry
2 Norn's Annex
1 Spear of Heliod
2 Talisman of Progress
1 Unwinding Clock
1 Etched Champion
3 Etherium Sculptor
2 Master of Etherium
1 Steel Overseer
4 March of the Machines
1 Tempered Steel
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Idyllic Tutor
4 Thoughtcast
1 Time Walk

tojammot wrote:in the meantime can you add a medium version of Montgomery Burns? Tainted Remedy should replace his Leyline of Punishment, cutting his colors down to two.

Good idea. But Everlasting Torment and Forsaken Wastes may also have to be removed, because Tainted Remedy won't work with them.

And while we're at it, i think i will rename my Granny Weatherwax 3 deck suggested above to Montgomery Burns 3. Then we have a complte line from 1-3.

Really now? I just checked, Tainted Remedy's life-draining effect still works even if Everlasting Torment/Forsaken Wastes is in play. From my interpretation, it's a replacement effect.

tojammot wrote:Really now? I just checked, Tainted Remedy's life-draining effect still works even if Everlasting Torment/Forsaken Wastes is in play. From my interpretation, it's a replacement effect.

Exactly, and that's why it won't work. Tainted Remedy replaces lifegain, but with Everlasting Torment or Forsaken Wastes, no lifegain can occur, and so it can't be replaced.

Marek14 wrote:

tojammot wrote:Really now? I just checked, Tainted Remedy's life-draining effect still works even if Everlasting Torment/Forsaken Wastes is in play. From my interpretation, it's a replacement effect.

Exactly, and that's why it won't work. Tainted Remedy replaces lifegain, but with Everlasting Torment or Forsaken Wastes, no lifegain can occur, and so it can't be replaced.

Yes, the rules are clear about this and Forge was wrong. A static effect will prevent replacement effects. I've just commited a fix.

Just being finicky with opponent names, can you (or anyone with svn permissions) rename Mr Smith to Agent Smith?

Agent Smith 1-2 | Open

Main:
19 Plains
2 Serra's Sanctum
1 Archetype of Courage
1 Hopeful Eidolon
3 Mesa Enchantress
1 Nyx-Fleece Ram
1 Armistice
1 Banishing Light
1 Brave the Sands
1 Enchanted Evening
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Glorious Anthem
1 Greater Auramancy
1 High Ground
1 Honor of the Pure
1 Inheritance
4 Journey to Nowhere
1 Land Tax
1 Light from Within
1 Lumithread Field
1 Mark of Asylum
1 Martial Law
1 Myth Realized
1 Oblivion Ring
3 Opalescence
1 Path of Bravery
1 Spear of Heliod
1 Sphere of Safety
3 Starfield of Nyx
1 True Conviction
1 Enduring Ideal
1 Replenish

tojammot wrote:Just being finicky with opponent names, can you (or anyone with svn permissions) rename Mr Smith to Agent Smith?

Done! (i hope this doesn't mess with savegames)

tojammot wrote:

Agent Smith 1-2 | Open

Main:
19 Plains
2 Serra's Sanctum
1 Archetype of Courage
1 Hopeful Eidolon
3 Mesa Enchantress
1 Nyx-Fleece Ram
1 Armistice
1 Banishing Light
1 Brave the Sands
1 Enchanted Evening
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Glorious Anthem
1 Greater Auramancy
1 High Ground
1 Honor of the Pure
1 Inheritance
4 Journey to Nowhere
1 Land Tax
1 Light from Within
1 Lumithread Field
1 Mark of Asylum
1 Martial Law
1 Myth Realized
1 Oblivion Ring
3 Opalescence
1 Path of Bravery
1 Spear of Heliod
1 Sphere of Safety
3 Starfield of Nyx
1 True Conviction
1 Enduring Ideal
1 Replenish

Opalescence + Enchanted Evening = no lands for the rest of the game.
I love stuff like that. Added as Agent Smith 2 (there's no way this could be added as an easy deck with so much beastliness).

Sloth wrote:Opalescence + Enchanted Evening = no lands for the rest of the game.
I love stuff like that. Added as Agent Smith 2 (there's no way this could be added as an easy deck with so much beastliness).

And that's where Great Wall comes in.

Agent Smith 1 | Open

Main:
21 Plains
1 Serra's Sanctum
1 Mesa Enchantress
1 Opalescence
4 Starfield of Nyx
1 Aegis of Honor
1 Gerrard's Battle Cry
1 High Ground
1 Hopeful Eidolon
1 Inheritance
1 Myth Realized
1 Sheltering Prayers
1 Ajani's Mantra
1 Brave the Sands
1 Call to Arms
1 Convalescence
1 Oath of Lieges
1 Planar Collapse
1 Sacred Ground
1 Aysen Highway
1 Worship
1 Lucent Liminid
1 Reverence
1 Lifeblood
1 Ivory Mask
1 Karmic Justice
4 Great Wall
1 Condemn
2 Kill Shot
1 Fire at Will
2 Cease-Fire
1 Replenish

tojammot wrote:EDIT: It's a bit all over the place but it can set up.

Skynet (Draft) | Open

Main:
2 Ancient Tomb
2 Flooded Strand
5 Island
1 Mishra's Workshop
2 Nimbus Maze
3 Plains
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Tundra
1 Akroma's Memorial
2 Cumber Stone
1 Darksteel Axe
1 Darksteel Brute
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Darksteel Juggernaut
2 Dolmen Gate
3 Fieldmist Borderpost
2 Golem Foundry
2 Norn's Annex
1 Spear of Heliod
2 Talisman of Progress
1 Unwinding Clock
1 Etched Champion
3 Etherium Sculptor
2 Master of Etherium
1 Steel Overseer
4 March of the Machines
1 Tempered Steel
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Idyllic Tutor
4 Thoughtcast
1 Time Walk

I did some playtesting and found that Steel Overseer, Talisman of Progress, Darksteel Juggernaut, Tempered Steel, Tolarian Academy and Ancient Tomb sometimes underperformed (even though some they can be explosive). Instead i've added some cards that help actually reach March of the Machines: Sol Ring, Sun Droplet and Defense Grid.

Skynet 3 | Open

4 Flooded Strand
5 Island
1 Mishra's Workshop
3 Nimbus Maze
3 Plains
4 Tundra
1 Sol Ring
1 Akroma's Memorial
2 Cumber Stone
2 Sun Droplet
1 Defense Grid
1 Darksteel Axe
1 Darksteel Brute
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Dolmen Gate
3 Fieldmist Borderpost
3 Golem Foundry
2 Norn's Annex
2 Spear of Heliod
1 Talisman of Progress
1 Unwinding Clock
1 Etched Champion
3 Etherium Sculptor
2 Master of Etherium
4 March of the Machines
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Idyllic Tutor
3 Thoughtcast
1 Time Walk

tojammot wrote:And that's where Great Wall comes in.

That's a great sentence.
And while there is some lovely stinkers in your list there are two or three cards that may hurt the feelings of a beginning player: Planar Collapse (could make the AI look more stupid than it already is), Worship and Reverence (could be frustrating) and ... ugh Aysen Highway + Great Wall comes already very close to trolling the player with nonsense.

Cards to consider instead:
Blind Obedience
Exclusion Ritual
Kismet
Lashknife Barrier
Martial Law
Orim's Prayer
Serra's Blessing (instead of Brave the Sands)
Silkwrap and Suspension Field (can replace some of the removal spells)
Spirit Mirror