World Deck Development thread

[Nordos]

What is next? Mirrodin? MDN,DST,5DN,SOM,MBS, and NPH?
Banned cards include artifact lands, Arcbound Ravager and Disciple of the Vault
Or years
All of the legal sets in a year including the base set?
So 2012 would be:
Scars of Mirrodin
Mirrodin Besieged
New Phyrexia
Innistrad
Dark Ascension
Avacyn Restored
Return to Ravnica
2012

Thoughts?

This way you could do standard decks from a season or easy decks could be decent draft decks from those blocks.

I would personally like a Mirrordin world and would try helping building some decks for it

[myk]

This would be pretty cool -- we definitely need more variety in the worlds!

[Nordos]

Hard - very hard opponent, based on equipment.

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4 Ancient Den
1 Argentum Armor
2 Auriok Glaivemaster
3 Auriok Steelshaper
2 Batterskull
4 Darksteel Citadel
3 Dispatch
3 Dispense Justice
2 Leonin Den-Guard
2 Loxodon Warhammer
16 Plains
4 Puresteel Paladin
2 Sunspear Shikari
3 Sword of Feast and Famine
3 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Sword of Light and Shadow
3 Sword of War and Peace

[serrasmurf]

Hi Nordos,
Mirrodin World would be cool!
For Ravnica I chose te leave out the core sets as these are not part of the plane, but you could argument just as easily that they should be part of it.

We'll need a lot of decks. To get yourself a headstart, you could add all block constructed top decks.
What helped me for my world is to have a structure (guilds) and work from there. Maybe a mirrodin deck for most legends and planeswalkers? And different power levels for some of them? That will also give a home for all mirrodin abilities.

If cards permit we could also build a "storyline":
- first level(s) only cards from the mirrodin faction
- then a level with phyrexian faction
- final level(s) : all cards available (they have blended together)

We could take this even 1 step further and configure the world to reflect this:
- you choose a faction (mirrodin or phyrexian, maybe we could add the green anti-artifact from the old block to the phyrexians, can't remeber the old storyline...)
- you get and are able to buy cards from your faction (and neutral support cards, which will be a considerable amount)
- you only play against opponents from the other side and beat the crap out of them! and shove them off your world!
this would require some programming and probably not worth it...but still..

KR,

[Nordos]

well, I didn't go through a theme, yet I scattered through the cards and build a deck around them.
We could then try to decrease/increase it's powerlevel to create enough decks for 'starting'
Well, here are they:

I guess there are many possible additions for this deck^^

Medium - hard artifact deck | Open

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4 Ancient Den
4 Blinkmoth Urn
4 Darksteel Citadel
2 Darksteel Colossus
2 Darksteel Forge
2 Darksteel Juggernaut
4 Etched Champion
4 Great Furnace
2 Mirrorworks
1 Mox Opal
2 Myr Enforcer
4 Ornithopter
2 Platinum Angel
1 Platinum Emperion
4 Seat of the Synod
4 Signal Pest
2 Steel Hellkite
4 Steel Wall
4 Tree of Tales
4 Vault of Whispers

UB infect ~medium | Open

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4 Blighted Agent
4 Corrupted Conscience
4 Flensermite
4 Hand of the Praetors
2 Ichor Rats
2 Inexorable Tide
10 Island
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Plague Stinger
2 Septic Rats
2 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
14 Swamp
4 Viral Drake
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mono b infect ~hard | Open

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4 Corpse Cur
4 Fireshrieker
4 Flensermite
4 Hand of the Praetors
4 Inkmoth Nexus
4 Lashwrithe
4 Nightmare Lash
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Plague Stinger
2 Septic Rats
2 Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
20 Swamp
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(Didn't test how the AI works with it yet, though)

Darksteel Reactor ~easy | Open

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4 Coretapper
4 Cryptoplasm
4 Darkslick Drake
4 Darksteel Reactor
4 Energy Chamber
20 Island
2 Lux Cannon
4 Oculus
4 Seat of the Synod
2 Serum Tank
4 Vedalken Certarch
4 Vedalken Infuser
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(it doesn't have synergies, yet very powerful cards)

simple mono B deck ~medium-hard | Open

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4 Blind Zealot
4 Consume Spirit
2 Dross Golem
2 Geth, Lord of the Vault
4 Lashwrithe
2 Massacre Wurm
4 Nightmare Lash
4 Phyrexian Crusader
4 Phyrexian Obliterator
2 Sheoldred, Whispering One
24 Swamp
4 Vault Skirge
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mono W Myr deck (it has only 8 white cards, though) ~medium | Open

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4 Ancient Den
4 Darksteel Citadel
2 Darksteel Myr
2 Gold Myr
4 Hovermyr
2 Myr Battlesphere
4 Myr Galvanizer
2 Myr Matrix
2 Myr Propagator
3 Myr Reservoir
4 Myr Servitor
2 Myr Turbine
4 Myrsmith
16 Plains
1 Shimmer Myr
4 Tempered Steel
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mono B Nim deck ~easy-medium | Open

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1 Bladed Pinions
2 Cranial Plating
2 Fireshrieker
2 Irradiate
4 Lashwrithe
3 Mephitic Ooze
2 Moriok Rigger
1 Nim Devourer
1 Nim Grotesque
2 Nim Lasher
2 Nim Shambler
3 Nim Shrieker
2 Surestrike Trident
24 Swamp
4 Vault Skirge
3 Viridian Claw
2 Whispersilk Cloak
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That are just some decks I assembled out of boredom. I didn't test them with the AI yet, and didn't spend a lot of time to look through all cards neither. Yet they could be used as a basis

[Corwin72]

I think that you have to ban artifact lands in easy and med decks.

The precon decks in the easy slot seem to work well.
That is 26 decks per wikipedia.

Edit: I got most of the decks together and removed the banned cards like Disciple of the Vault and Skullclamp. I will try to get them formatted and do a little bit of testing tonight. The rest of the week I expect to be busy with Bioshock.

[Nordos]

Hah, I don't know why I included all the artifact lands in the myr and the Darksteel deck. Maybe because I just felt like adding typical Mirrodin cards to the decks ^^

Then again, if the theme require it (metalcraft), I would include the artifact lands (for example in the artifact deck) as long as the level is medium or higher...

Any need for other decks? Wouldn't know if my decks would be too similar to the precons, though, and I'm not in the mood to test them through out, yet just creating kind of concepts like I did with the previous post.

[Corwin72]

Ok. Bioshock is done. I will try to do some work on the easy decks tonight.

[Corwin72]

Here are a few that I have been working on.
Arcbound black Medium

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4 Arcbound Worker 1
4 Arcbound Stinger 2
4 Arcbound Slith 2
4 Arcbound Crusher 4
4 Dross Golem ~3
2 Arcbound Fiend 6
2 Arcbound Overseer 8
1 Helm of Kaldra
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Skeleton Shard
1 Shield of Kaldra
1 Sword of Kaldra
1 Energy Chamber
2 Echoing Decay
2 Night's Whisper
2 Wrench Mind
24 Swamp

Big Red Not sure if Medium or Hard

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4 Arc-Slogger
4 Slith Firewalker
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Chrome Mox
3 Detonate
3 Echoing Ruin
4 Fireball
3 Molten Rain
3 Pulse of the Forge
4 Furnace Dragon
22 Mountain
2 Stalking Stones

[Enchanteur]

Hello, I'm back
I stopped play with forge for a while, because I endend initial quest mode with brokens decks, 10 blue mox, 10 black lotus, 10 time spiral within. So, the game loose all taste.

I'm currently playing Ravnica world, Expert difficulty.
So, I give you feedback.
It's exactly what I was looking for : original and limited choice of cards, and no broken cards.
So, I really enjoy it.

I hope Quests mode will be improuved in the futur, new worlds, new stuff at bazar, and something that look a closer bit to shandalar'micropose. Story, map, dungeons, etc.

I've some worlds ideas, and will post it soon.
Mirondin world was one of them.

[Enchanteur]

Mirrondin world.
RG Medium deck (perhaps Easy)
Based on artifact destruction, some good green dudes, and direct damage removal.

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2 Acid Web Spider|SOM
3 Arc Trail|SOM
1 Beacon of Destruction|5DN
4 Copperline Gorge|SOM
1 Creeping Corrosion|MBS
1 Detonate|MRD
4 Electrostatic Bolt|MRD
2 Ezuri's Archers|SOM
2 Fireball|DST
10 Forest|SOM
1 Glissa Sunseeker|MRD
1 Koth of the Hammer|SOM
1 Melira, Sylvok Outcast|NPH
4 Molder Slug|MRD
9 Mountain|SOM
1 Oxidda Scrapmelter|SOM
2 Oxidize|DST
2 Predator's Strike|MRD
1 Red Sun's Zenith|MBS
3 Tel-Jilad Chosen|MRD
1 Thrun, the Last Troll|MBS
4 Viridian Shaman|MRD

[Corwin72]

I was working on the Mirrondin world but had the issue of dealing with banned cards. The artifact lands were so crucial to the Precon decks.
Should they be left how they are or should they be banned.

[Enchanteur]

I was working on the Mirrondin world but had the issue of dealing with banned cards. The artifact lands were so crucial to the Precon decks.
Should they be left how they are or should they be banned.

Maybe, banned for player, but authorized for AI ?

EDIT : wrong way, I looked in world/ directory.
There is no choice. But I don't know if ban is active for AI.
If not, some cards have to be banned for everyone.

I'm not sure artifact lands alone are unbalanced, if Disciple + Ravager + others needed cards are banned.

[Corwin72]

Well Ravager should not be that bad. I don't think that the AI could use it nearly as well as a player.
Any time that optimal play involves sacing its own permanents the AI has issues.

[Enchanteur]

I've read a thread on forum where it says : AI can use cards from out of the world.
So it should work to ban cards for player, but don't ban it for AI.