Implementing ante

[slapshot5]

Buying it back at the card shop may not require too much coding.

It's a matter of passing in a true vs. false. Changing it is about as easy as it gets.

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[friarsol]

Regarding how it worked in Shandalar: You never played a match, you only played a single game, so you would only be ante-ing that one time.

[slapshot5]

Here's another question that came up in my latest game. In Quest Mode, what happens if you ante a basic land (snow or non-snow) and lose?

I think it should be removed from your deck, but maybe nothing is removed from the Card Pool in this case.

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[friarsol]

I almost feel like Basic lands shouldn't be ante-able. If I ante up a Power 9 and the AI antes up a Forest, I don't feel like I'm gaining anything useful.

[slapshot5]

I almost feel like Basic lands shouldn't be ante-able. If I ante up a Power 9 and the AI antes up a Forest, I don't feel like I'm gaining anything useful.

That sounds reasonable. I shall make it so for both Compy and Human.

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[moomarc]

I almost feel like Basic lands shouldn't be ante-able. If I ante up a Power 9 and the AI antes up a Forest, I don't feel like I'm gaining anything useful.

That sounds reasonable. I shall make it so for both Compy and Human.

How's that reasonable? Just this morning the compy was telling me that it would love to trade its moxen for my basic lands

[jendave]

I almost feel like Basic lands shouldn't be ante-able. If I ante up a Power 9 and the AI antes up a Forest, I don't feel like I'm gaining anything useful.

That sounds reasonable. I shall make it so for both Compy and Human.

How's that reasonable? Just this morning the compy was telling me that it would love to trade its moxen for my basic lands

Keep in mind that the reason ante existed, according to Richard Garfield, was to discourage loading up your deck with powerful cards. Anteing up a Power 9 vs a basic land was an example of why ante was a good thing. This was of course before 60 card deck sizes, 4 of limits and ban lists.

[friarsol]

That's true. But we can take a few liberties in our implementation. I guess if one player is running 0 basics, and the other is running 24, they gain a small advantage because more of their deck is "eligible". But it's definitely something that isn't written in stone, if it seems clunky in implementation.

[Rob Cashwalker]

Isn't ante just supposed to be the top card of the deck after shuffling? If it happens to be a basic land, so be it.

[slapshot5]

Isn't ante just supposed to be the top card of the deck after shuffling? If it happens to be a basic land, so be it.

After shuffling and cutting I believe. So, we're already not perfect.

The 5-color guys ante this way (only non-<basic lands> if possible).

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[slapshot5]

Ante in Quest Mode is ready for a larger testing pool. I have checked it in r12732.

1) if you win, the compy's cards will be available in your card pool after the current match
2) if you lose, your ante is permanently removed from your deck (currently not available for re-purchase in the Card Shop)
3) ante will now only be chosen from non-<basic lands> if possible

Please check the end-of-match quest screens to make sure no info is missing.
Please check cards are added and removed as expected (following the points above).
Please test with the card lost in ante in multiple decks (and with multiple copies from different sets).

Post bugs to this thread.

Note: There are no ante-specific cards currently available in Forge.

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[friarsol]

Would love to see the ante-d cards posted to the logs before we get a zone for them.

Edit: Wait, I can't tell if this is actually on for me? Is something supposed to be visible?

[slapshot5]

Would love to see the ante-d cards posted to the logs

To the game log? Good idea. I'll do that now?

before we get a zone for them.

Not sure what this part means.

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[friarsol]

Would love to see the ante-d cards posted to the logs

To the game log? Good idea. I'll do that now?

before we get a zone for them.

Not sure what this part means.

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Oh I think I just forgot to enable it in the settings.

[friarsol]

It looks like I have the one cards in my cardPool, but they don't seem to have the New flag. Also, it would be nice if the card information was displayed in the reward panel. So I can know what the card does before I try to go chase it down in my deck editor.