Bug Reports (snapshot builds)

[friarsol]

r15077

Temporal Spring doesn't seem to be triggering leaves the battlefield triggers.

Repro:
1. Cast a permanent
2. Cast Oblivion Ring on the permanent
3. Temporal Spring the O-Ring.

Expected: O-Ring leaves the battlefield triggers.
Actual: O-Ring currently is a perma exile.

[Aud]

I hope this is of some use. I've been keeping brief notes on card errors as I go with the intention of sharing them ...some day. That's today.

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Phyrexian Dreadnought does not require the sacrifice of creatures with a combined power of 12 or greater.

Abu Ja'far does not bury all creatures blocking or blocked by it when it dies.

Prototype Portal, when duplicating Everflowing Chalice, will accept a kicker; but there is no effect from the kicker other than spending mana.


Blinkmoth Urn does not seem to give the computer mana when it should (although it says it does, it does not show in their pool.)I should also note the Urn was controlled by me.


Arcbound tokens (created via Prototype Portal) do not transfer their +1/+1 counters to other artifact creatures upon death In the stack it reads put zero counters regardless of the actual number.

Obelisk of Undoing taps when activated

Corrosive Mentor does not give the Computer Opponent's black creatures Withering.


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Transcendence; The AI should never cast this when its life total is greater than 20. (Probably not unless its total is less than 10)

Time Sieve should probably be placed on the AI questionable list. I just finished a game where the AI sacrificed its last five permanents (other than time sieve)





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Cannot report errors (crash reports) via the built in Report Issue function. Error: Description Field must be provided

(regardless of anything that may have been entered in the Description Field)

I am using Forge1.25r14666

[friarsol]

Obelisk of Undoing taps when activated

Corrosive Mentor does not give the Computer Opponent's black creatures Withering.

You should probably re-read Obelisk of Undoing, it should tap when Activated (yes that card was pretty terrible). Perhaps you are looking at the Antiquities version where it's a "Mono Artifact" which means tap is part of the activation cost.

Corrosive Mentor works fine for me. It does say "Black creatures you control" so if you controlled it, the opponent's creature's don't get Wither.

[Aud]

Thank you Sol, I did not understand the Mono Artifact class.

It was the opponent's Corrosive Mentor that was not giving Wither to the opponent's black creature's.

[friarsol]

Thank you Sol, I did not understand the Mono Artifact class.

When in doubt check out the Oracle text which has the official card text.

[moomarc]

It was the opponent's Corrosive Mentor that was not giving Wither to the opponent's black creature's.

This is working for me. Was there maybe something suppressing its ability on the battlefield?

[Max mtg]

I investigated clones and why they die when returning from exile (e.g. Oblivion Ring).
Their cloning power is granted by a spellability which is put into stack only if card is played for mana from hand (or may be from grave with unearth). When Clone returns from exile, it's spellability does not work, and its owner is not given a chance to choose a creature to copy.

It looks like somehow we have to suspend resolution of the ability returning a clone to battlefield and ask player for an input, then copy card characteristics and only then let the changeZone code continue normally - that is fire trigger for copied creature ETB and return its result to callers.

[slowe]

r15119
- If Huntmaster of the Fells is killed with his transform trigger on the stack, his ETB ability (2 life + 2/2 wolf) triggers and resolves once the transformation ability resolves. This seems to be some weird interaction when the game tries to transform something no longer in play, which should just have no effect.

- Grand Arbiter Augustin IV does not allow me to cast Spectral Procession for {W W 1}. Presumably the interaction between cost reduction and 2/C costs doesn't work across the board.

- AI ignores effects that increase costs it has to pay (as from Mr. Augustin).

[Milod]

when i use corrupted conscious on ai creature with sword of war and peace on it it only steals the creature and is it possible to make ai respond to stealing and re-enquip it to one of his other creatures?

is this a knowen bug? or is it new? thanks

[FabioFLX]

As generally noticed by slowe two posts above, it seems that even Thalia, Guardian of Thraben ability that increases the non-creature spells cost only affects the player who controls Thalia, resulting in just a drawback.

[Chris H.]

I am using Forge1.25r14666

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That version of forge is out of date.

You may want to try out the newest snapshot, forge 1.2.7 rev 15121.

[Aud]

OK, I've upped to 1.26.



Harvester Druid does not produce mana. Instead a dialogue listing all the colours I can produce is shown, but when I select one and comfirm, the Harvester Druid untaps and no mana is produced.

[moomarc]

Opponent's Jwari Shapeshifter just entered the battlefield as a copy of my non-Ally Tree of Redemption.

[aleatherglove]

forge-1.2.7-20120410.110614-11.tar
Curse of Thirst: Deals no damage, with or without other curses on table (eg Curse of Bloodletting).

Heckling Fiends & Sorin, Lord of Innistrad: Killed and took control of AI's Heckling Fiends using my Sorin, Lord of Innistrad. AI continues to activate Heckling Fiends' ability on my creatures.

Interface/Memory/Lag/Unknown: I used Heckling Fiends ability on two of AI's creatures the ability targets one creature twice. I could have been lagging and using it too quickly, but I did have to tap lands in between each use and that action did not lag. Also, my mouse did not come anywhere close to first creature when targeting the second activation -- second creature was on other side of table with three other creatures between them. Somehow the first target carried over to the second.

Evil Twin: still remains a copy of the card of the targeted creature, even if Evil Twin is put into the library or graveyard (possibly exiled as well?), as reported here:
http://www.slightlymagic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6616&p=86140&#p86140
Furthermore, when Evil Twin dies and has Undying ability (granted by Undying Evil - not sure about innate Undying from copied creature), Evil Twin comes back as "Evil Twin" 0/0 with one +1/+1 counter and no abilities. I'm not sure if it should come back as the originally copied creature with +1/+1 and the "BU,T:destroy original" ability (due to specific rules about undying) or if its controller chooses a new creature to copy (based on the wording of the card itself).

AI: When AI casts Forge Devil and human has no creatures it chooses to deal 1 damage to Forge Devil even if it has tougher creatures to absorb the hit. AI will also cast it with no creatures in play, thereby paying R to ping the AI player for 1 damage.
AI: AI pumps inflatable creatures during BC step. After it spends 4RRRR pumping, I spend U to tap it. AI spends every turn tapped out and can't cast spells. I sip some tea.
NOTE: I've noticed a ton of these types of issues. A good many are simple timing of plays, such as Flash creatures and activated abilities, and attacking decisions which 98% of the time if following a ritual process would greatly improve AI's effectiveness with most cards. It seems so common sense and obvious that I must assume devs are well aware and slowly implementing these. Do I really need to point these out? And if so, what's the best place to discuss them - bug threads or the AI combat observations thread or elsewhere?

UI/Saved drafts: Attempting to consecutively delete more than one draft from the list will very often cause a crash because somehow the draft is already deleted, even though it exists until this happens. Afterwards, entering deck editor and trying to Open a saved deck will not list the deck which caused the crash. Fairly annoying.


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1.2.7-snapshot-r15131
Transforming cards: Can't cast cards which Transform from hand. At least 5 different types of werewolves and also Soul Siezer from Innistrad Block don't work.

[Chris H.]

NOTE: I've noticed a ton of these types of issues. A good many are simple timing of plays, such as Flash creatures and activated abilities, and attacking decisions which 98% of the time if following a ritual process would greatly improve AI's effectiveness with most cards. It seems so common sense and obvious that I must assume devs are well aware and slowly implementing these. Do I really need to point these out? And if so, what's the best place to discuss them - bug threads or the AI combat observations thread or elsewhere?

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Good questions.

A lot of work has been done over the last year or so on a scripting system which in turn allows a very large number of cards to be added. This is still a work in progress and occasionally someone with the necessary skills will read through this portion of code and will make a few adjustments to improve the AI.

It does not hurt to discuss these AI issues as it helps to educate the user base and it also helps to remind the skilled coders that work needs to be done in a few areas.

We could create a message topic here or people could report these issues to Rob's bug tracker.