Card Development Questions

[jeffwadsworth]

Here is some script for Exhume.

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Name:Exhume
ManaCost:1 B
Types:Sorcery
Text:no text
A:SP$ ChangeZone | Cost$ 1 B | Origin$ Graveyard | Destination$ Battlefield | Defined$ Opponent | ChangeType$ Creature.YouDontCtrl | ChangeNum$ 1 | Hidden$ True | SubAbility$ SVar=DBYou | SpellDescription$ Each player puts a creature card from his or her graveyard onto the battlefield.
SVar:DBYou:DB$ChangeZone | Origin$ Graveyard | Destination$ Battlefield | ValidTgts$ Creature.YouCtrl | TgtPrompt$ Select target creature in your graveyard
SVar:Rarity:Common
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/exhume.jpg
SetInfo:USG|Common|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/us/134.jpg
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Now, if you use the script for the AI by itself; things work fine and it puts a creature from its graveyard into play. When the two changezone's are put together; nothing happens at all. Perhaps someone can spot the issue. Note that you will have to remove the Exhume code from the codebase.

[friarsol]

Exhume isn't targeted. On either end. It needs to be Hidden for both sides.

[ZzzzSleep]

Exhume isn't targeted. On either end. It needs to be Hidden for both sides.

Does this mean that Stampeding Wildebeests and Stampeding Serow need to have Hidden$True too, because they don't target?

[friarsol]

Exhume isn't targeted. On either end. It needs to be Hidden for both sides.

Does this mean that Stampeding Wildebeests and Stampeding Serow need to have Hidden$True too, because they don't target?

Yep. If the decision occurs during resolution, it counts as Hidden$ no matter what the zone is. Certain Zones are Hidden$ by default, but the Battlefield and the Graveyard are not.

[jeffwadsworth]

Exhume isn't targeted. On either end. It needs to be Hidden for both sides.

Thanks Sol.

[Chris H.]

I scripted the card Kithkin Zealot. It refers to target opponent and I think that the SVar might take care of this. Not sure. The card works, but is this a card that we should hold off on or is this submittable?

Kithkin Zealot card | Open

Name:Kithkin Zealot
ManaCost:1 W
Types:Creature Kithkin Cleric
Text:no text
PT:1/3
T:Mode$ ChangesZone | Origin$ Any | Destination$ Battlefield | ValidCard$ Card.Self | TriggerZones$ Battlefield | Execute$ TrigGainLife | TriggerDescription$ When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, you gain 1 life for each black and/or red permanent target opponent controls.
SVar:TrigGainLife:AB$GainLife | Cost$ 0 | Defined$ You | LifeAmount$ X
SVar:X:Count$Valid Permanent.Black+YouDontCtrl,Permanent.Red+YouDontCtrl
SVar:Rarity:Common
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/kithkin_zealot.jpg
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[friarsol]

I'd hold that one off Chris. The opponent needs to be targeted.

[Chris H.]

I'd hold that one off Chris. The opponent needs to be targeted.

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No problem. People have wondered about how to handle these types of cards. We have "Defined$ Opponent" but I think that this is for cards that refer to your opponent but without the targeting.

[ZzzzSleep]

Looking at Walker of Secret Ways, is there an ability to look at your opponents hand? Would a discard with NumCards$ 0 and Mode$ RevealYouChoose work?

[friarsol]

I just saw that Walking Dream someone said we couldn't do on the wiki, did it not work with a conditional stPump?

Also, it lists Angelic Favor as not possible, but I'm not sure why that would be the case? Just look at Tradewind Rider for that cost.

[jeffwadsworth]

I just saw that Walking Dream someone said we couldn't do on the wiki, did it not work with a conditional stPump?

Also, it lists Angelic Favor as not possible, but I'm not sure why that would be the case? Just look at Tradewind Rider for that cost.

Angelic Favor is already done as of 2/22/2011. As for Walking Dream, anyone know how to handle the isValid within the stpump?

[Replika]

I have been trying to do Surge of Thoughtweft. My first (and slightly wrong) solution looks like this:

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Name:Surge of Thoughtweft
ManaCost:1 W
Types:Tribal Instant Kithkin
Text:no text
A:SP$PumpAll | Cost$ 1 W | ValidCards$ Creature.YouCtrl | NumAtt$ +1 | NumDef$ +1 | IsPresent$ Kithkin.YouCtrl | PresentCompare$ EQ0 | SpellDescription$ Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
A:SP$PumpAll | Cost$ 1 W | ValidCards$ Creature.YouCtrl | NumAtt$ +1 | NumDef$ +1 | IsPresent$ Kithkin.YouCtrl | SubAbility$ SVar=DBDraw | SpellDescription$ Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. If you control a Kithkin, draw a card.
SVar:DBDraw:DB$Draw | Cost$ 0 | Defined$ You | NumCards$ 1
SVar:Rarity:Common
SetInfo:LRW|Common|http://magiccards.info/lw/en/43.html
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This works smoothly (you never actually have to choose a mode), but it doesn't work if you flash in/kill all Kithkins with Surge of Thoughtweft on the stack.

My second idea would look something like this:

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A:SP$PumpAll | Cost$ 1 W | ValidCards$ Creature.YouCtrl | NumAtt$ +1 | NumDef$ +1 | SubAbility$ SVar=DBDraw | SpellDescription$ Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. If you control a Kithkin, draw a card.
SVar:DBDraw:DB$Draw | Cost$ 0 | Defined$ You | NumCards$ X
SVar:X:Count$NumTypeYouCtrl.Kithkin/HalfUp/HalfUp/HalfUp/HalfUp/HalfUp

or

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SVar:X:Y/HalfUp
SVar:Y:Z/HalfUp
SVar:Z:Count$NumTypeYouCtrl.Kithkin/HalfUp

HalfUpping anything but zero a bunch of times will result in one card drawn (unless you control thousands of Kithkins), and HalfUpping zero will stay zero. However, none of the above ways to script the HalfUps seems to work. Do you guys know a way to do this?

[friarsol]

Surge of Thoughtweft is another one of those cards just dying for a Conditional during resolution. I think this will just have to wait until that exists.

[jeffwadsworth]

Testing Counterbore. This one looks like an issue with Targeted being used with Counter.

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Name:Counterbore
ManaCost:3 U U
Types:Instant
Text:no text
A:SP$ Counter | Cost$ 3 U U | Type$ Spell | Destination$ Graveyard | SubAbility$ SVar=DBChangeZoneAll | SpellDescription$ Counter target spell. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that spell and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
SVar:DBChangeZoneAll:DB$ChangeZoneAll | Defined$ TargetedController | ChangeType$ Targeted.sameName | Origin$ Graveyard | Destination$ Exile | SubAbility$ SVar=DBChangeZoneAll2
SVar:DBChangeZoneAll2:DB$ChangeZoneAll | Defined$ TargetedController | ChangeType$ Targeted.sameName | Origin$ Hand | Destination$ Exile | SubAbility$ SVar=DBChangeZoneAll3
SVar:DBChangeZoneAll3:DB$ChangeZoneAll | Defined$ TargetedController | ChangeType$ Targeted.sameName | Origin$ Library | Destination$ Exile | Shuffle$ True
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/counterbore.jpg
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Is that the case?

[slapshot5]

Testing Counterbore. This one looks like an issue with Targeted being used with Counter.

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Name:Counterbore
ManaCost:3 U U
Types:Instant
Text:no text
A:SP$ Counter | Cost$ 3 U U | Type$ Spell | Destination$ Graveyard | SubAbility$ SVar=DBChangeZoneAll | SpellDescription$ Counter target spell. Search its controller's graveyard, hand, and library for all cards with the same name as that spell and exile them. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
SVar:DBChangeZoneAll:DB$ChangeZoneAll | Defined$ TargetedController | ChangeType$ Targeted.sameName | Origin$ Graveyard | Destination$ Exile | SubAbility$ SVar=DBChangeZoneAll2
SVar:DBChangeZoneAll2:DB$ChangeZoneAll | Defined$ TargetedController | ChangeType$ Targeted.sameName | Origin$ Hand | Destination$ Exile | SubAbility$ SVar=DBChangeZoneAll3
SVar:DBChangeZoneAll3:DB$ChangeZoneAll | Defined$ TargetedController | ChangeType$ Targeted.sameName | Origin$ Library | Destination$ Exile | Shuffle$ True
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/counterbore.jpg
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Is that the case?

Yep. Definitely the case. AF_CounterMagic lies outside the normal Targets. That's why it kind of has it's own implementation of drawbacks. The long-term solution is to let Spells be Targets (instead of just the cards).

-slapshot5