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Rule Changes

PostPosted: 23 May 2013, 12:18
by friarsol
http://wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Artic ... ature/248e

A few changes that make 0 sense themetically, but are for the good of new players.

Funnily enough "Playing Additional Lands" is exactly how we handle Play Additional Lands right now. So that's pretty nice.

Re: Rule Changes

PostPosted: 23 May 2013, 12:40
by swordshine
friarsol wrote:Funnily enough "Playing Additional Lands" is exactly how we handle Play Additional Lands right now. So that's pretty nice.
:mrgreen: Unexpect Results :mrgreen:

I don't like the legendary/planeswalker rule changes. Thrun, the Last Troll is insane and Clones are much weaker. Thespian's Stage can clone Dark Depths and Marit Lage comes.
We should also convert some effects to AnimateAll effect because of "Indestructible Promoted to Keyword" :evil: (Rootborn Defenses, Ready // Willing, Frontline Medic, Boros Charm).

Re: Rule Changes

PostPosted: 31 May 2013, 23:33
by friarsol
swordshine wrote:We should also convert some effects to AnimateAll effect because of "Indestructible Promoted to Keyword" :evil: (Rootborn Defenses, Ready // Willing, Frontline Medic, Boros Charm).
I think they'll get converted to PumpAll not AnimateAll.

I'm working on upgrading the Sideboard for M14 rules now. The only thing that I don't have right now is being able to sideboard a 75/0 deck into a 60/15. But this means that people who don't have Sideboards might get annoyed by a useless popup to sideboard. Any thoughts of how to handle this?

Re: Rule Changes

PostPosted: 01 Jun 2013, 00:13
by Diogenes
friarsol wrote:I'm working on upgrading the Sideboard for M14 rules now. The only thing that I don't have right now is being able to sideboard a 75/0 deck into a 60/15. But this means that people who don't have Sideboards might get annoyed by a useless popup to sideboard. Any thoughts of how to handle this?
Unless I'm mistaken, the way I understand the new rules is that unless you're running a strict 60/0 you'll always have the option to sideboard after the first match whether you intend to or not (you always have a sideboard now, even if it's empty during the first game.) I'd imagine that the sideboard prompt should always appear except in the case of 60/0, but it might be nice to have a "don't prompt me again" tick box.

Re: Rule Changes

PostPosted: 01 Jun 2013, 01:56
by friarsol
Diogenes wrote:I'd imagine that the sideboard prompt should always appear except in the case of 60/0, but it might be nice to have a "don't prompt me again" tick box.
Yea that's mostly what I'm talking about. I don't want to annoy indecisive people who build 61 card decks and don't have any plans to sideboard, but I also don't want to be too restrictive for the people who are experimenting with empty sideboards. Maybe a preference that says "Open empty sideboards between matches" and then for minimum main decks/empty sideboards skip the dialog, otherwise check the users preference.

Re: Rule Changes

PostPosted: 01 Jun 2013, 05:19
by Diogenes
I guess I just don't see the sideboard popping up as a major nuisance. It's easy enough to dismiss.

I get what you're saying about not wanting to annoy people, but at the same time it's an option that the game rules are giving you - disabling it outside the match feels a little bit weird to me, since skipping the whole process is just two clicks for a best-of-three match. I personally don't feel there are enough savings here to merit extra entries in the game options.

One elegant solution for the future would be to integrate the results screen with the sideboarding interface. It would be unobtrusive for those who don't want to sideboard, and would cut down on the number of UI screens between games.

Also, there are situations where the current sideboarding logic won't apply: DotP decks and old 40+15 decks come to mind. An option not to enforce rules compliance would be nice.

Re: Rule Changes

PostPosted: 01 Jun 2013, 08:10
by moomarc
Forward/backward compatibility is always a pain. In my ideal world there would be a "pre-M14 rules" option that allowed you to switch (in fact if the world was perfect there would be radio button selection for rule sets so that you could enforce rules from different eras, but that simply isn't plausible and probably breaks various modern cards if used with legacy rules).

Re: Rule Changes

PostPosted: 01 Jun 2013, 13:11
by friarsol
Diogenes wrote:I get what you're saying about not wanting to annoy people, but at the same time it's an option that the game rules are giving you - disabling it outside the match feels a little bit weird to me, since skipping the whole process is just two clicks for a best-of-three match. I personally don't feel there are enough savings here to merit extra entries in the game options.
Yea that was my original feeling before I started overthinking it. Maybe I'll just go that way for now. Especially since playing different decks you may want to do things differently, and setting a preference outside is definitely an oddity here.

I think we already have deck conformance preference to be able to play a 40/15 constructed deck, so no matter what the player sideboards in or out, since your conformance is off, it should accept the output.