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onderzeeboot wrote:r33275: When I cast Parting Thoughts, I draw cards equal to the number of counters on the killed creature, but I don't lose any life.

tjtillman wrote:r33275

It's possible that this isn't a bug, but a misunderstanding of the rules by me. But if I'm understanding correctly, then it would be a bug.

I have on the battlefield a Filigree Familiar, a Cogwork Assembler, a Scrap Trawler, and an Embraal Gear-Smasher. In my Graveyard I have an Implement of Combustion.

I pay 7 mana using Cogwork Assembler's ability to copy the Filigree Familiar. A token that's a copy of it enters the battlefield and I gain 2 life on it's ETB trigger. Then I use Embraal Gear-Smasher's ability to sacrifice that token.
After activating that ability it appears that Scrap Trawler's ability does trigger (artifact going to the graveyard from the battlefield) because I am prompted to choose an order for that trigger and the Filigree Familiar copy's die trigger. However, after choosing the order, the Scrap Trawler's trigger never appears on the stack. If the game thinks that the token was 0 cmc then, there would be nothing to get back from the graveyard on Scrapyard Trawler's trigger. However, am I correct in saying that the token copy of Filigree Familiar does have CMC 3, meaning that I should be able to target the Implement of Combustion in the graveyard from the Scrapyard Trawler trigger?

onderzeeboot wrote:r33275: Zurgo Bellstriker can't be blocked in certain circumstances. I had a Xenagos, the Reveler out and a 2/2 artifact creature. Neither the Satyr token made by Xenagos, nor the other 2/2 could block Zurgo when it attacked.

Marek14 wrote:Cipher is defined (in part) as “If this spell is represented by a card, you may exile this card encoded on a creature you control” -- therefore you shouldn't get the cipher dialogue when you cast a ciphered copy of the spell.

When you control Caged Sun, you should always get a choice of what color of mana to produce when paying costs, even if there's only generic portion of the cost left, since this may affect whether you get extra mana from Caged Sun or not. (I.e. I have Caged Sun set to "black", and when I cast an artifact spell and tap Watery Grave, it will automatically tap for blue mana so I won't get extra.)

Twainer wrote:r33275

Confiscation Coup - I start with 0 energy. I cast Coup on Arborback Stomper (CMC 5). This shouldn't work but i end up with the Arborback Stomper and i still have the 4 energy from the coup.

Agetian wrote:

Marek14 wrote:Cipher is defined (in part) as “If this spell is represented by a card, you may exile this card encoded on a creature you control” -- therefore you shouldn't get the cipher dialogue when you cast a ciphered copy of the spell.

When you control Caged Sun, you should always get a choice of what color of mana to produce when paying costs, even if there's only generic portion of the cost left, since this may affect whether you get extra mana from Caged Sun or not. (I.e. I have Caged Sun set to "black", and when I cast an artifact spell and tap Watery Grave, it will automatically tap for blue mana so I won't get extra.)

About Cipher: can you please tell me how to reproduce a situation where you actually get the Cipher dialog when you cast a copy? I tried it with a couple cards and I don't get the actual question offering to cipher again, even though I do get the unwanted "...<player selects a card to encode>" part in the stack description, which I have trouble getting rid of since I don't yet understand how the game is tracking the fact that the spell was already encoded and is thus a copy (or not) :/

I tried looking into fixing Caged Sun but couldn't find where this is controlled so far, I'd welcome some help from someone who is familiar with that part of the game interface. There is, of course, a workaround (if you click the land before clicking on the artifact to start paying the cost, you get to choose which color to tap for), but that's obviously an inconvenience and you have to remember it. :/ I'll keep looking for a possible solution.

- Agetian

The exiled card with cipher grants a triggered ability to the creature it's encoded on. If that creature loses that ability and subsequently deals combat damage to a player, the triggered ability won't trigger. However, the exiled card will continue to be encoded on that creature.