Losing the game as a state-based effect.

[Topdeck]

While playing today, I noticed the game stills handles losing (by having 0 or fewer life points) by the old rule-set. In Manalink, you can still dip to zero or lower without dying until the end of the phase. Current rules have you dying as a state-based effect as soon as the other player gains priority.

I guess it's a bug (of sorts), but it may not be technically possible for us to fix. What say you coders?

[Tower_Mazer]

While playing today, I noticed the game stills handles losing (by having 0 or fewer life points) by the old rule-set. In Manalink, you can still dip to zero or lower without dying until the end of the phase. Current rules have you dying as a state-based effect as soon as the other player gains priority.

I guess it's a bug (of sorts), but it may not be technically possible for us to fix. What say you coders?

I'm sure we'd all like to see all rules current. To do this several lines would need to be added in to do checks at times where none exist now. If a counter could be made based on game play time we could have a check based off the counter and might not need so many lines of code. Also we could use the counter for several other things (example keeping a txt. file with updated info that could maybe be used to track bugs, a tally of total amount of time users have been playing, and fix the dreaded computer is thinking forever by making a delay of game function to either move the AI to the next phase and cancel the current command or make them lose and not the player for closing the game.).

[Topdeck]

Anything to stop those AI lockups would be welcome.

[jatill]

While playing today, I noticed the game stills handles losing (by having 0 or fewer life points) by the old rule-set. In Manalink, you can still dip to zero or lower without dying until the end of the phase. Current rules have you dying as a state-based effect as soon as the other player gains priority.

I guess it's a bug (of sorts), but it may not be technically possible for us to fix. What say you coders?

I'm thinking that this would be a 3-line code change to the rules engine. The question is, do people want this change, or do they like it the way it is now? This change, for example, would neuter the prosbloom deck.

[Bog Wraith]

My vote is to leave this as it is. The game is after all rooted in the Type 1 enviroment and that is a big part of ManaLink's attraction.

However as always, I defer to the majorities opinion!

[CirothUngol]

My first thought is:
"...the rules have changed!?!"

Guess I should download and peruse a current copy of the rules, as obviously they're different these days. Funny, 'cause I was a definite Rules Lawyer back in the early days. My vote, leave it like it is. The vast majority of these cards were developed and used during the early rule years, and were intended to be used as such, weren't they?
Now to go find a current rulebook...

...? Well Lookit Below... Thanks for the links Snacko!

[Snacko]

Wizards rulebooks
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Articl ... agic/rules

Rules Summaries + card rules explained.
http://www.crystalkeep.com/magic/rules/index.php

[Tower_Mazer]

I like it the way it is but, I know we try to make the game play by the most current rules possible. One way to look at it also if it is changed; if your current life isn't enough and you don't want to play by current rules there is always the debug option to add as much life as you want and then take it back off if you feel that keeping it is cheating. If we do change it then cards could be added to change the rule and they would be key cards in decks like probloom. What I mean is what if in the next new set from mtg has a card that contradicts the rule and says players life may dip below 0 until event X. I don't see them doing so but it does add a degree of flexibility, and to me is what I love about the game. Should someone make a poll on this?

[jatill]

I like it the way it is but, I know we try to make the game play by the most current rules possible. One way to look at it also if it is changed; if your current life isn't enough and you don't want to play by current rules there is always the debug option to add as much life as you want and then take it back off if you feel that keeping it is cheating. If we do change it then cards could be added to change the rule and they would be key cards in decks like probloom. What I mean is what if in the next new set from mtg has a card that contradicts the rule and says players life may dip below 0 until event X. I don't see them doing so but it does add a degree of flexibility, and to me is what I love about the game. Should someone make a poll on this?

Boggy, can we do polls?

[Snacko]

there are already cards as such that allow you to go under 0 life
see Platinum Angel and Transcendence

[Tower_Mazer]

there are already cards as such that allow you to go under 0 life
see Platinum Angel and Transcendence

I was thinking that effects like pay life couldn't be effected by cards like this or Aladdin. I thought they were meant only for damage and not life loss. Of course we can't pay life on something when you life is <1 but you can take it to 0.

[Bog Wraith]

I like it the way it is but, I know we try to make the game play by the most current rules possible. One way to look at it also if it is changed; if your current life isn't enough and you don't want to play by current rules there is always the debug option to add as much life as you want and then take it back off if you feel that keeping it is cheating. If we do change it then cards could be added to change the rule and they would be key cards in decks like probloom. What I mean is what if in the next new set from mtg has a card that contradicts the rule and says players life may dip below 0 until event X. I don't see them doing so but it does add a degree of flexibility, and to me is what I love about the game. Should someone make a poll on this?

Boggy, can we do polls?

Yes we can, but I don't know how to set this up.

Huggy, I know you can... HELP!

I won't be around until later next week, so you guys be good now until I get back!

[Huggybaby]

Whenever you start (or edit) a new topic, there should be a "create poll" tab at the bottom of the page.

You should also be able to edit your own posts, can someone verify this for me?

[CirothUngol]

Yea Huggy, I just edited my above post. Seems to work just fine... thanx, didn't see that earlier.

[Huggybaby]

Thanks for checking, everything seems to be working as it should then.