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Re: Updates on the way.
by Korath » 06 Apr 2015, 08:03
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Multicolor casting costs are the same story - they don't exist at all in shandalar.exe, and were instead put into magic.exe at some point - but even harder; even though I've previously moved some of it into C for Manalink, the remainder is all hand-coded assembly that would be harder to reverse-engineer than to just rewrite from scratch. It'd be plenty hard to rewrite from scratch, though, so there's basically no chance I'm going to do so in the short term.
I figured out how I'd broken save game names and fixed it; but I still can't get wizard animations working, even now that I actually have the movies. It's not just a question of missing files; the same directory works in a newly-installed XP virtual machine, but not on any of the other (actual) machines I've tried it on (another XP, a Vista, and two Win7s). They play normally outside of the game, so that's not it either.
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Re: Updates on the way.
by gmzombie » 07 Apr 2015, 18:08
Well from the original game to the first or second beta from mok he added multi colored cards into the game I believe Because they(microprose) abandoned this game before ever adding in multicolored items Or finishing things like the ability to sideboard in the real game. It's weird as they do have sideboarding if you play a sealed event And even in shandalar you can have up to 3 decks per cards you have.
Also only on a side note and just brainstorming outlin loud could the dll files that you guys currently program to be loaded up via shandalar Or is that what your already talking about with the long-term porting the duel to manalink process? I'm no coder so I don't know the ins and outs but just little snippets of things.
Also only on a side note and just brainstorming outlin loud could the dll files that you guys currently program to be loaded up via shandalar Or is that what your already talking about with the long-term porting the duel to manalink process? I'm no coder so I don't know the ins and outs but just little snippets of things.
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Korath » 08 Apr 2015, 10:35
There's some small chance that I might eventually try to compile ManalinkEh.dll against shandalar.exe, but I can't simply link to it. Every function and variable it references in magic.exe is at a different address in shandalar.exe. Plus, again, the things like check_multi_mana() that just aren't in shandalar.exe at all.
The most likely long term plan is to, whenever Shandalar calls its "start a duel" function, spawn a separate magic.exe process, give it data for each player's decks, starting life, free extra cards, etc., wait for it to complete, and get back a winner and ante result from that.
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It turned out to be easier to correctly put the legend rule directly into the engine than to use the sort of workaround Manalink does (which is to have every legendary card check the legend rule itself when it comes into play), and it's much more robust that way, too. There's no chance of the legend rule being missed if duplicate legends sneak onto the battlefield by some circuitous, unforeseen route (such as if one stops copying something else), and this way legends can just use the same function a similar card does.
The most likely long term plan is to, whenever Shandalar calls its "start a duel" function, spawn a separate magic.exe process, give it data for each player's decks, starting life, free extra cards, etc., wait for it to complete, and get back a winner and ante result from that.
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It turned out to be easier to correctly put the legend rule directly into the engine than to use the sort of workaround Manalink does (which is to have every legendary card check the legend rule itself when it comes into play), and it's much more robust that way, too. There's no chance of the legend rule being missed if duplicate legends sneak onto the battlefield by some circuitous, unforeseen route (such as if one stops copying something else), and this way legends can just use the same function a similar card does.
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Re: Updates on the way.
by gmzombie » 08 Apr 2015, 16:09
Well now I understand more now. 
I am very pleased with what you have been able to accomplish. As one of the few original beta testers I was always a bit sad that this game didn't get the overhaul too. I'll be happy to see maze of ith in there personally if you need anything decompiled I can do nu best to get you. That info.
I am very pleased with what you have been able to accomplish. As one of the few original beta testers I was always a bit sad that this game didn't get the overhaul too. I'll be happy to see maze of ith in there personally if you need anything decompiled I can do nu best to get you. That info.can I maze of ith your snowstorm?
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Bog Wraith » 08 Apr 2015, 18:12
Topic is now a a sticky! 
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Korath » 10 Apr 2015, 14:34
I've ported in a couple of Manalink's conveniences that I decided I just couldn't live without - autotapping artifacts and creatures for mana, and autochoosing color choice for Black Lotus (but not yet Birds of Paradise). City of Brass and the original dual lands already pick their color automatically when appropriate, and I don't particularly care about Celestial Prism; are there any other multicolored mana sources in the original game that I'm forgetting?
Dual lands are an embarassment of riches. Will probably have to bump the original duals up to mythic rare, so you don't just buy them at your first Nomad's Bazaar/Diamond Mine and ignore all the others. Though, again, that'll actually make them harder to find than the restricted cards in the dungeons.
I've always considered it a bug that the "mind control" power that Mind Stealers and (Priestesses?) have exactly duplicates the player's opening hand, only shuffling the rest of copied library; not least because if the AI mulligans, you see its hand from before your deck is copied. Looking at the assembly, though, it's obviously intentional. So while I've fixed it, I'm including an option to preserve the old behavior.
I've attempted to fix the obviously-broken AI for Giant Growth (and hence Brute Force), and the less-obviously broken AI for Stone Rain (and hence Craterize (they actually printed that?!), Ice Storm, Rain of Tears, Sinkhole, and Winter's Grasp), but haven't tested extensively yet.
I really, really need to stop getting distracted by easy cards and get around to finishing up the dungeon ones so they don't crash immediately when found (still have Flash, Memory Jar, Mind's Desire (likely to be replaced; Strip Mine is the frontrunner), Necropotence, Tinker, Yawgmoth's Bargain, and Yawgmoth's Will to go). And then stop getting distracted by cards period and just invoke Manalink's duel.
On the plus side, doing things this way means that - for the moment, at least - there doesn't need to be any kind of configuration to disable buggy cards at runtime; their impact on Shandalar is higher than in Manalink, since in the latter you can just choose not to play decks with them. That's assuming there's less bugs in my cards than in the Manalink ones, of course, but that's more reasonable and less arrogant than it looks on its face - I'm deliberately avoiding the difficult cards (grant and especially loss of abilities; animation/changing type/copying; modal spells and anything else that requires a choice dialog; planeswalkers; graveyard interactions; and activation while off the battlefield), and moving a lot of complexity that's typically in individual card functions in Manalink (notably Sleight of Mind and Magical Hack considerations) into the engine instead.
Dual lands are an embarassment of riches. Will probably have to bump the original duals up to mythic rare, so you don't just buy them at your first Nomad's Bazaar/Diamond Mine and ignore all the others. Though, again, that'll actually make them harder to find than the restricted cards in the dungeons.
I've always considered it a bug that the "mind control" power that Mind Stealers and (Priestesses?) have exactly duplicates the player's opening hand, only shuffling the rest of copied library; not least because if the AI mulligans, you see its hand from before your deck is copied. Looking at the assembly, though, it's obviously intentional. So while I've fixed it, I'm including an option to preserve the old behavior.
I've attempted to fix the obviously-broken AI for Giant Growth (and hence Brute Force), and the less-obviously broken AI for Stone Rain (and hence Craterize (they actually printed that?!), Ice Storm, Rain of Tears, Sinkhole, and Winter's Grasp), but haven't tested extensively yet.
I really, really need to stop getting distracted by easy cards and get around to finishing up the dungeon ones so they don't crash immediately when found (still have Flash, Memory Jar, Mind's Desire (likely to be replaced; Strip Mine is the frontrunner), Necropotence, Tinker, Yawgmoth's Bargain, and Yawgmoth's Will to go). And then stop getting distracted by cards period and just invoke Manalink's duel.
On the plus side, doing things this way means that - for the moment, at least - there doesn't need to be any kind of configuration to disable buggy cards at runtime; their impact on Shandalar is higher than in Manalink, since in the latter you can just choose not to play decks with them. That's assuming there's less bugs in my cards than in the Manalink ones, of course, but that's more reasonable and less arrogant than it looks on its face - I'm deliberately avoiding the difficult cards (grant and especially loss of abilities; animation/changing type/copying; modal spells and anything else that requires a choice dialog; planeswalkers; graveyard interactions; and activation while off the battlefield), and moving a lot of complexity that's typically in individual card functions in Manalink (notably Sleight of Mind and Magical Hack considerations) into the engine instead.
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Aswan jaguar » 10 Apr 2015, 21:32
The only one is Fellwar Stone.Korath wrote: are there any other multicolored mana sources in the original game that I'm forgetting?
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Re: Updates on the way.
by RanDomino » 11 Apr 2015, 01:20
Does Gem Bazaar count?Aswan jaguar wrote:The only one is Fellwar Stone.Korath wrote: are there any other multicolored mana sources in the original game that I'm forgetting?
Re: Updates on the way.
by Korath » 13 Apr 2015, 19:18
I've gotten multicolor cards and colored artifacts working, the latter more cleanly than in Manalink (since I've reverse-engineered check_mana_multi() and added support for them directly, instead of the bletcherous hack I put in Manalink). Multicolor cards still don't show up in towns. I don't think colored non-creature artifacts will be selectable anywhere in the cardpicker; colored artifact creatures show up under Creature for Blue etc., but not with artifact creatures. Maybe add them to the category I currently have set aside for planeswalkers.
I've moved targeting into C as well (again, nothing new compared to Manalink); an immediate benefit is support for Shroud (and Hexproof just as soon as I decide where I want to store it).
Five must-have dungeon cards left before I'm comfortable releasing an alpha.
It I put together a modified rarity.dat so that you can make the Manalink deckbuilder only display cards currently supported in Shandalar, would anyone actually build AI decks?
I've moved targeting into C as well (again, nothing new compared to Manalink); an immediate benefit is support for Shroud (and Hexproof just as soon as I decide where I want to store it).
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Five must-have dungeon cards left before I'm comfortable releasing an alpha.
It I put together a modified rarity.dat so that you can make the Manalink deckbuilder only display cards currently supported in Shandalar, would anyone actually build AI decks?
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Huggybaby » 13 Apr 2015, 19:39
Sure, there are some guys here who just love to build decks!
Good thing too, because I prefer to select a precon deck rather than build my own 99.9% of the time.
Good thing too, because I prefer to select a precon deck rather than build my own 99.9% of the time.
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Re: Updates on the way.
by gmzombie » 13 Apr 2015, 21:01
for real though awesome job so far. I can't wait to see this awesomeness.Question do u still want the AI decks to just be better versions of themselves or all out new?
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can I maze of ith your snowstorm?
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Korath » 13 Apr 2015, 21:05
It should be safe to just overwrite your normal Manalink Rarity.dat with this if you don't care about the Block pseudo-expansion, but no guarantees. Probably wiser to keep the old file around, just in case.
(It occurs to me that this may have some false positives; the format of rarity.dat is much more complex than it needs to be. I'm double-checking it manually.) Enh, all the cards starting with A through I are right; it's probably fine.
Edit: I've removed the download that was attached to here; use the Rarity.dat file distributed with each update.
- The deckbuilder in Shandalar itself is considerably uglier.
Edit: I've removed the download that was attached to here; use the Rarity.dat file distributed with each update.
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Korath » 13 Apr 2015, 22:11
I'd say they should be thematically the same, where there's a theme. Elvish Magi, for example, should stay elf-themed, and Merfolk Shaman merfolk; and the colors should stay the same, with at most minor splashes (like how Paladin runs just enough blue mana to throw in four Sleight of Mind; he's still a white creature, and can't walk on island terrain).gmzombie wrote:Question do u still want the AI decks to just be better versions of themselves or all out new?
The actual strategies of the original decks, though, are irrelevant IMO. There's no reason to keep Kiska Ra using the hopeless overenchanted weenie plan, not when there's so much better WGU decks to be built. I'd much rather play against decks that A) are challenging, and B) the AI plays reasonably well.
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Re: Updates on the way.
by Bog Wraith » 14 Apr 2015, 14:49
After backing up my original Rarity file, I replaced it with yours. No joy. This is the error message I received.
I tried it in both a Shandalar install & a ManaLink install as I wasn't sure which one this file was for. Neither of them worked. I tried running the program & separately, tried to start the deck builder as well. I always got this same error message.
I tried it in both a Shandalar install & a ManaLink install as I wasn't sure which one this file was for. Neither of them worked. I tried running the program & separately, tried to start the deck builder as well. I always got this same error message.
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