SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
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SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by Aswan jaguar » 09 Jun 2015, 14:42
Korath,asked for a shandalar card wishlist so here you go.
Ask here for new cards to be implemented for Shandalar!Korath at least for the time being will try to fulfil card requests from people that make bug reports(use Bug Tracker-placed under CCGH logo next to Wiki),and make new decks for Shandalar's creatures.(check this from 6 page bottom and later for decks implemented & more):
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=5478&start=75
and this on deck building guidelines:
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=17273#p180371
Imagine that I meant to ask just for a couple of cards when I started this post!
EDIT: Withstrike-through already implemented cards on Loremaster's Tower 3 / Thieves Hideout 1. 13 cards out of 21 requested got implemented.
DragonsLair1 = 18 implemented 3 to go.
Gemcutter's Guild 1 = 1 implemented +18=19 implemented 2 to go.
NOTE:
Please strike through already implemented cards that you asked for in your posts and have been coded after every new update so that we make Korath's work easier and he can check easily which cards are left to code.
Ask here for new cards to be implemented for Shandalar!Korath at least for the time being will try to fulfil card requests from people that make bug reports(use Bug Tracker-placed under CCGH logo next to Wiki),and make new decks for Shandalar's creatures.(check this from 6 page bottom and later for decks implemented & more):
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=5478&start=75
and this on deck building guidelines:
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=17273#p180371
- My wishlist: | Open
Imagine that I meant to ask just for a couple of cards when I started this post!
EDIT: With
DragonsLair1 = 18 implemented 3 to go.
Gemcutter's Guild 1 = 1 implemented +18=19 implemented 2 to go.
NOTE:
Please strike through already implemented cards that you asked for in your posts and have been coded after every new update so that we make Korath's work easier and he can check easily which cards are left to code.
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Reason: strkethrough fixed card as of Gemcutter's Guild 1
Reason: strkethrough fixed card as of Gemcutter's Guild 1
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Trying to squash some bugs and playtesting.
Trying to squash some bugs and playtesting.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by jiansonz » 09 Jun 2015, 19:03
Okay, I have a couple:
(in alphabetic order)
Edit (as of 16 March 2016): Half of the cards on my list are in, very nice.
(in alphabetic order)
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Edit (as of 16 March 2016): Half of the cards on my list are in, very nice.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by quatrocentos-e-vinte » 09 Jun 2015, 19:32
Not that I have been particularly helpful with bug reports, but... Korath, if for some strange reason, you don't have any idea what to implement, maybe some of these will be feasible?
(if any of these are not in Manalink.csv, please ignore them)
+1 to jiansonz for requesting Feast of the Unicorn
ah... Homelands always cracks me up..
EDIT: I suck (x2).. small fixes
- sorry for the big list ;_; | Open
(if any of these are not in Manalink.csv, please ignore them)
+1 to jiansonz for requesting Feast of the Unicorn
ah... Homelands always cracks me up..EDIT: I suck (x2).. small fixes
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by jiansonz » 09 Jun 2015, 21:10
It's in the game.quatrocentos-e-vinte wrote:Wizened Cenn
Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by Korath » 09 Jun 2015, 23:54
To give folks some idea of the things I can and can't do without stupid amounts of effort just yet:
Yavimaya Enchantress, Overrun, Darkthicket Wolf, Favorable Winds, Kessig Cagebreakers, Call to the Grave, Endless Ranks of the Dead, Primal Plasma from the above lists are doable, and I've done them.
The others, and the features blocking them:
Landfall cards, Soul Warden/Soul's Attendant, Renegade Doppelganger, Shared Animosity: can't trigger on something else entering the bf or attacking elegantly enough quite yet. Probably next version after today's.
Flowstone Sculpture, Jodah's Avenger: robust dialog handling.
Oath of Druids, Path to Exile: gives an option to the opponent, which is blocked by lack of robust dialog handling.
Master of the Hunt: no bands-with-other, and I'm not willing to approximate it with plain banding.
Master of the Wild Hunt: no elegant-enough way to mark which wolves can be damaged by the target creature.
All Hallow's Eve, all the thallid variants: counters other than +1/+1 and -1/-1.
Autumn Willow: undecided how to handle this so that her ability still works even if she's no longer an Autumn Willow, but still has shroud. (Contrived example: activate Autumn Willow, Mirrorweave her to another creature, play a Spiritual Asylum. Manalink breaks here.)
Baron Sengir: counters again, plus regenerate other.
Silklash Spider, Anthroplasm: activate/cast for X. Probably next version after today's.
Rhox: Thorn Elemental ability will probably have to wait until we're using modern trample rules.
Hellkite Overlord, Kher Keep, Ætherling, Morphling: multiple activated abilities.
Feast of the Unicorn: not in Manalink, alas. (I started playing during Homelands/Ice Age, and have a fondness for that card in particular, too.)
Ballyrush Banneret, Daru Warchief, Undead Warchief: cost reduction.
Cenn's Tactician: arbitrary additional blockers.
Sentinel, Shape Stealer: also arbitrary additional blockers, since cards that care about what blocked them or what they're blocking would have to be rewritten at the same time.
Cemetery Reaper, Lord of the Undead: robust targeting in the graveyard, which is blocked by the MicroProse versions of Drafna's Restoration, Feldon's Cane, Jeweled Bird, and Whimsy. Maybe the version after today's.
Tukatongue Thallid, Xathrid Necromancer: death trigger.
Gravitational Shift: already in the game.
Cryptoplasm: gain of activated ability.
Yavimaya Enchantress, Overrun, Darkthicket Wolf, Favorable Winds, Kessig Cagebreakers, Call to the Grave, Endless Ranks of the Dead, Primal Plasma from the above lists are doable, and I've done them.
The others, and the features blocking them:
Landfall cards, Soul Warden/Soul's Attendant, Renegade Doppelganger, Shared Animosity: can't trigger on something else entering the bf or attacking elegantly enough quite yet. Probably next version after today's.
Flowstone Sculpture, Jodah's Avenger: robust dialog handling.
Oath of Druids, Path to Exile: gives an option to the opponent, which is blocked by lack of robust dialog handling.
Master of the Hunt: no bands-with-other, and I'm not willing to approximate it with plain banding.
Master of the Wild Hunt: no elegant-enough way to mark which wolves can be damaged by the target creature.
All Hallow's Eve, all the thallid variants: counters other than +1/+1 and -1/-1.
Autumn Willow: undecided how to handle this so that her ability still works even if she's no longer an Autumn Willow, but still has shroud. (Contrived example: activate Autumn Willow, Mirrorweave her to another creature, play a Spiritual Asylum. Manalink breaks here.)
Baron Sengir: counters again, plus regenerate other.
Silklash Spider, Anthroplasm: activate/cast for X. Probably next version after today's.
Rhox: Thorn Elemental ability will probably have to wait until we're using modern trample rules.
Hellkite Overlord, Kher Keep, Ætherling, Morphling: multiple activated abilities.
Feast of the Unicorn: not in Manalink, alas. (I started playing during Homelands/Ice Age, and have a fondness for that card in particular, too.)
Ballyrush Banneret, Daru Warchief, Undead Warchief: cost reduction.
Cenn's Tactician: arbitrary additional blockers.
Sentinel, Shape Stealer: also arbitrary additional blockers, since cards that care about what blocked them or what they're blocking would have to be rewritten at the same time.
Cemetery Reaper, Lord of the Undead: robust targeting in the graveyard, which is blocked by the MicroProse versions of Drafna's Restoration, Feldon's Cane, Jeweled Bird, and Whimsy. Maybe the version after today's.
Tukatongue Thallid, Xathrid Necromancer: death trigger.
Gravitational Shift: already in the game.
Cryptoplasm: gain of activated ability.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by gmzombie » 10 Jun 2015, 01:33
i think if there were a few cards i would like to see would be
Summer Bloom
Any planeswalker
Delver of secrets
Any Eldrazi one small eldrazi has been put in.
dig thru time
Summer Bloom
Any planeswalker
Delver of secrets
Any Eldrazi one small eldrazi has been put in.
dig thru time
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can I maze of ith your snowstorm?
http://home.comcast.net/~gmzombie/index.html old stuff in here. don't use this stuff right now till I get time to get back into it and readjust.
http://home.comcast.net/~gmzombie/index.html old stuff in here. don't use this stuff right now till I get time to get back into it and readjust.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by quatrocentos-e-vinte » 10 Jun 2015, 08:02
Thanks Korath, for both taking the time to implement our silly requests AND for explaining what is feasible or not right now (so we can avoid asking for the impossible). Of course, what's really impossible is to prevent me from asking cards that are already in the game *facepalm*
Ok... so I guess now everyone must, at the very least, test to see if AI can correctly play the cards they suggested
it's only fair...
Ok... so I guess now everyone must, at the very least, test to see if AI can correctly play the cards they suggested
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by jiansonz » 10 Jun 2015, 09:06
OK, but isn´t Cyclopean Tomb (a card in the original game) doing something similar to lands? Or do those lands only get flagged as having the counter or not (since all counters on a land get removed at the same time)?Korath wrote:All Hallow's Eve, all the thallid variants: counters other than +1/+1 and -1/-1.
Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by Korath » 10 Jun 2015, 09:31
The MicroProse implementation of Cyclopean Tomb doesn't put counters on the lands; it attaches orange effect cards to them.
There's only five different kinds of counters that can go onto arbitrary cards; and space for a sixth whose type changes depending on which card it's currently on. This isn't sufficient even for all the original cards - Cyclopean Tomb is a case in point - and it breaks badly once arbitrary cards can be made to change into other cards. Mirrorweave a Thallid into an Icatian Javelineers and suddenly it's got javelin counters instead of spore counters.
In Manalink, I rewrote this a bit more than a year ago so that, other than +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters, each of those also stores which kind of counter they are. I'll eventually port this to Shandalar, but first I have to make sure that the space used to store the counter types is untouched by shandalar.exe; scrounge up alternate space for the parts that I already know shandalar.exe is using for something else; and rewrite all the existing cards that use counters of any sort. Adding more counter-using cards now will add to the reimplementation burden - I'd really rather not have to program the same card more than once.
There's only five different kinds of counters that can go onto arbitrary cards; and space for a sixth whose type changes depending on which card it's currently on. This isn't sufficient even for all the original cards - Cyclopean Tomb is a case in point - and it breaks badly once arbitrary cards can be made to change into other cards. Mirrorweave a Thallid into an Icatian Javelineers and suddenly it's got javelin counters instead of spore counters.
In Manalink, I rewrote this a bit more than a year ago so that, other than +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters, each of those also stores which kind of counter they are. I'll eventually port this to Shandalar, but first I have to make sure that the space used to store the counter types is untouched by shandalar.exe; scrounge up alternate space for the parts that I already know shandalar.exe is using for something else; and rewrite all the existing cards that use counters of any sort. Adding more counter-using cards now will add to the reimplementation burden - I'd really rather not have to program the same card more than once.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by Fourth Inversion » 24 Jun 2015, 14:36
Harmonic Sliver, Sliver Hive
Prey Upon and other cards with 'fights'
Staff of the Mind Magus and Death/Flame/Sun/Wild
These are a few cards I'd like to try and use in some of the new enemy decks. From reading the comments above, I'm not sure if Sliver Hive is possible at this stage because of the multiple abilities, but the rest of the cards seem like they'd be okay? Thanks Korath
Prey Upon and other cards with 'fights'
Staff of the Mind Magus and Death/Flame/Sun/Wild
These are a few cards I'd like to try and use in some of the new enemy decks. From reading the comments above, I'm not sure if Sliver Hive is possible at this stage because of the multiple abilities, but the rest of the cards seem like they'd be okay? Thanks Korath
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by jiansonz » 24 Jun 2015, 16:01
EDIT: I moved all my requests to my first post in the thread.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by Korath » 24 Jun 2015, 20:44
The big problem with Sliver Hive isn't multiple abilities (though that would nix it for now, too); it's mana with restrictions on its use. Manalink gets around it by just pretending the second ability isn't there; that's not a compromise that I'm willing to make.
Prey Upon and probably most of the other fight cards are stymied by having dissimilar targets, which I don't yet have a concise way to express. (For example, Donate's function was two lines long when I misread the card as "An opponent gains control of target permanent you control"; now it's nearly 60.) Very unlikely to be fixed in the next version, but it's been annoying me enough lately that it may make it into the next one after that.
Harmonic Sliver should be doable with the same approximation that Manalink uses (executing the trigger on the Harmonic Sliver itself). No problem with any of the Magus staffs.
Hammerheim, Urborg, Pendelhaven, and Karakas (and their real sibling, Tolaria, for that matter) are waiting on multiple abilities.
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and Plague Sliver are already in the dev version.
Prey Upon and probably most of the other fight cards are stymied by having dissimilar targets, which I don't yet have a concise way to express. (For example, Donate's function was two lines long when I misread the card as "An opponent gains control of target permanent you control"; now it's nearly 60.) Very unlikely to be fixed in the next version, but it's been annoying me enough lately that it may make it into the next one after that.
Harmonic Sliver should be doable with the same approximation that Manalink uses (executing the trigger on the Harmonic Sliver itself). No problem with any of the Magus staffs.
Hammerheim, Urborg, Pendelhaven, and Karakas (and their real sibling, Tolaria, for that matter) are waiting on multiple abilities.
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and Plague Sliver are already in the dev version.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by jiansonz » 26 Jun 2015, 08:39
@guinsoo: Oath of Druids is discussed earlier in the thread. Problem that needs to be solved (for OoD and many other cards) is how to get the AI to deal with its optional activation.
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Re: SHANDALAR CARD wishlist! ask for NEW cards!
by Korath » 26 Jun 2015, 13:27
Some of those cards are already in the game; some already in the next major version. The ones interacting with the graveyard, ones activating from your hand, and ones with alternate casting costs won't be in soon at all. Equipment maybe a bit sooner.
Redundant cards: I tend to put all close variants of a card in at the same time - not just all the "Target creature gets -4/-4 until end of turn" cards, but Shrink, Fatal Fumes, Last Gasp, Disfigure, etc. - since it's not any harder than just putting in the first variant.
Redundant cards: I tend to put all close variants of a card in at the same time - not just all the "Target creature gets -4/-4 until end of turn" cards, but Shrink, Fatal Fumes, Last Gasp, Disfigure, etc. - since it's not any harder than just putting in the first variant.
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