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Strong AI decks

Postby Lodici » 14 Jun 2017, 09:15

Thought it might be interesting to highlight decks the AI plays strongly.

MCTS Level 8 : firemind top decks / legacy.Counter Slivers
I have yet to beat the AI in a best of 5 games duel with the strongest challenger so far being B_Zombies_Infect_40 with which I have managed to win a measly total of 3 games so far.
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Re: Strong AI decks

Postby Huggybaby » 16 Jun 2017, 21:03

LOL Sliver decks are BRUTAL.
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Re: Strong AI decks

Postby Lodici » 17 Jun 2017, 06:56

Tell me about it! ;) Any suggestions for strong counter decks would be most welcome.
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Re: Strong AI decks

Postby ShawnieBoy » 06 Jul 2017, 14:57

Can be close, but my 'Way of the Empty Hand' deck works against it (Not taking into account the bug I found with Breathstealer's Crypt)

# 10 spells
4 Anvil of Bogardan
2 Breathstealer's Crypt
4 Coldsteel Heart
2 Dark Suspicions
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Fabricate
4 Fractured Powerstone
4 Liliana's Caress
2 Noetic Scales
2 Null Brooch

# 5 lands
4 Drowned Catacomb
6 Island
4 Nephalia Drownyard
10 Swamp
4 Tainted Isle
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Re: Strong AI decks

Postby Lodici » 17 Jul 2017, 14:29

ShawnieBoy wrote:Can be close, but my 'Way of the Empty Hand' deck works against it (Not taking into account the bug I found with Breathstealer's Crypt)
Unfortunately it did not fare too well in an AI vs AI duel (albeit starting life = 10), which means I will have no chance! :)

Code: Select all
java -splash: -Xms512M -Xmx1024M -jar Magarena.jar --headless
--ai1 MCTS --str1 8 --deck1 "legacy.Counter Slivers.dec"
--ai2 MCTS --str2 8 --deck2 "Way of the Empty Hand"
--life 10 --games 7 --duels 1 --threads 4

=================== AI vs AI (headless) ====================
Threads : 4
Life : 10
Duels : 1
Games : 7
Using random seed 35240610642606
P1 : monte carlo tree search [8]
P2 : monte carlo tree search [8]
============================================================
Duel 1 of 1
D1 : Firemind top decks  /  legacy.Counter Slivers
D2 : Player decks  /  Way of the Empty Hand
------------------------------------------------------------
Game  Won  D1  D2  Duration
1     D1   1   0   84.99
2     D1   2   0   167.49
3     D1   3   0   319.46
4     D1   4   0   117.90
5     D1   5   0   169.36
6     D1   6   0   110.71
7     D2   6   1   454.78
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Re: Strong AI decks

Postby ShawnieBoy » 17 Jul 2017, 15:40

What can I say, I enjoy 'different' decks - Johnny through and through :D
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Re: Strong AI decks

Postby Utterly » 19 Aug 2017, 05:04

I developed a deck that's very effective vs a Bant Sliver deck...

Pure green. A few different mana accelerators (including a single mana creature enchant, often on the first sliver.) Prevent all combat damage out the ass (Spike Weaver and Dawnstrider) Lots of elvish synergy. Forestwalk. Lots of tutors -crazy flexibility (and a number of ways of getting creatures directly into play, avoiding counterspell.) A graveyard draw option. A reusable nuke option (Silklash Spider,) that doesn't touch your own creatures, if the opponent plays a Galerider Sliver.

It often gets going around single digit life, and is kinda slow in terms of finishing off the opponent, but with any half-reasonable draw, you're never in any danger.

# 18 spells
2 Acidic Slime
3 Birthing Pod
4 Dawnstrider
2 Elvish Champion
2 Elvish Harbinger
4 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Fauna Shaman
1 Hua Tuo, Honored Physician
2 Immaculate Magistrate
2 Kalonian Hydra
2 Llanowar Mentor
1 Norwood Priestess
4 One with Nature
1 Silklash Spider
2 Skyshroud Poacher
1 Soul of the Harvest
3 Spike Weaver
1 Vigor

# 1 lands
20 Forest
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Re: Strong AI decks

Postby mike » 20 Aug 2017, 16:40

I think this is a neat kind of puzzle challenge. Figuring out not only what deck works against a particularily strong opponent but is also played well by AI.

This thread gave me the motivation to add a feature to firemind.ch that I was contemplating for a while: Deck Challenges

Each user can only submit one deck to participate in the challenge and whoever gets the highest win percentage wins the challenge.

I added this sliver deck as the first challenge: https://www.firemind.ch/deck_challenges/1

Let me know what you think (and if you can beat my 8-Rack deck :) )
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