Strong AI decks
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Strong AI decks
by Lodici » 14 Jun 2017, 09:15
Thought it might be interesting to highlight decks the AI plays strongly.
MCTS Level 8 : firemind top decks / legacy.Counter Slivers
I have yet to beat the AI in a best of 5 games duel with the strongest challenger so far being B_Zombies_Infect_40 with which I have managed to win a measly total of 3 games so far.
MCTS Level 8 : firemind top decks / legacy.Counter Slivers
I have yet to beat the AI in a best of 5 games duel with the strongest challenger so far being B_Zombies_Infect_40 with which I have managed to win a measly total of 3 games so far.
Re: Strong AI decks
by Lodici » 17 Jun 2017, 06:56
Tell me about it! Any suggestions for strong counter decks would be most welcome.
Re: Strong AI decks
by ShawnieBoy » 06 Jul 2017, 14:57
Can be close, but my 'Way of the Empty Hand' deck works against it (Not taking into account the bug I found with Breathstealer's Crypt)
# 10 spells
4 Anvil of Bogardan
2 Breathstealer's Crypt
4 Coldsteel Heart
2 Dark Suspicions
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Fabricate
4 Fractured Powerstone
4 Liliana's Caress
2 Noetic Scales
2 Null Brooch
# 5 lands
4 Drowned Catacomb
6 Island
4 Nephalia Drownyard
10 Swamp
4 Tainted Isle
# 10 spells
4 Anvil of Bogardan
2 Breathstealer's Crypt
4 Coldsteel Heart
2 Dark Suspicions
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Fabricate
4 Fractured Powerstone
4 Liliana's Caress
2 Noetic Scales
2 Null Brooch
# 5 lands
4 Drowned Catacomb
6 Island
4 Nephalia Drownyard
10 Swamp
4 Tainted Isle
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Re: Strong AI decks
by Lodici » 17 Jul 2017, 14:29
Unfortunately it did not fare too well in an AI vs AI duel (albeit starting life = 10), which means I will have no chance!ShawnieBoy wrote:Can be close, but my 'Way of the Empty Hand' deck works against it (Not taking into account the bug I found with Breathstealer's Crypt)
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java -splash: -Xms512M -Xmx1024M -jar Magarena.jar --headless
--ai1 MCTS --str1 8 --deck1 "legacy.Counter Slivers.dec"
--ai2 MCTS --str2 8 --deck2 "Way of the Empty Hand"
--life 10 --games 7 --duels 1 --threads 4
=================== AI vs AI (headless) ====================
Threads : 4
Life : 10
Duels : 1
Games : 7
Using random seed 35240610642606
P1 : monte carlo tree search [8]
P2 : monte carlo tree search [8]
============================================================
Duel 1 of 1
D1 : Firemind top decks / legacy.Counter Slivers
D2 : Player decks / Way of the Empty Hand
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Game Won D1 D2 Duration
1 D1 1 0 84.99
2 D1 2 0 167.49
3 D1 3 0 319.46
4 D1 4 0 117.90
5 D1 5 0 169.36
6 D1 6 0 110.71
7 D2 6 1 454.78
Re: Strong AI decks
by ShawnieBoy » 17 Jul 2017, 15:40
What can I say, I enjoy 'different' decks - Johnny through and through
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Re: Strong AI decks
by Utterly » 19 Aug 2017, 05:04
I developed a deck that's very effective vs a Bant Sliver deck...
Pure green. A few different mana accelerators (including a single mana creature enchant, often on the first sliver.) Prevent all combat damage out the ass (Spike Weaver and Dawnstrider) Lots of elvish synergy. Forestwalk. Lots of tutors -crazy flexibility (and a number of ways of getting creatures directly into play, avoiding counterspell.) A graveyard draw option. A reusable nuke option (Silklash Spider,) that doesn't touch your own creatures, if the opponent plays a Galerider Sliver.
It often gets going around single digit life, and is kinda slow in terms of finishing off the opponent, but with any half-reasonable draw, you're never in any danger.
# 18 spells
2 Acidic Slime
3 Birthing Pod
4 Dawnstrider
2 Elvish Champion
2 Elvish Harbinger
4 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Fauna Shaman
1 Hua Tuo, Honored Physician
2 Immaculate Magistrate
2 Kalonian Hydra
2 Llanowar Mentor
1 Norwood Priestess
4 One with Nature
1 Silklash Spider
2 Skyshroud Poacher
1 Soul of the Harvest
3 Spike Weaver
1 Vigor
# 1 lands
20 Forest
Pure green. A few different mana accelerators (including a single mana creature enchant, often on the first sliver.) Prevent all combat damage out the ass (Spike Weaver and Dawnstrider) Lots of elvish synergy. Forestwalk. Lots of tutors -crazy flexibility (and a number of ways of getting creatures directly into play, avoiding counterspell.) A graveyard draw option. A reusable nuke option (Silklash Spider,) that doesn't touch your own creatures, if the opponent plays a Galerider Sliver.
It often gets going around single digit life, and is kinda slow in terms of finishing off the opponent, but with any half-reasonable draw, you're never in any danger.
# 18 spells
2 Acidic Slime
3 Birthing Pod
4 Dawnstrider
2 Elvish Champion
2 Elvish Harbinger
4 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Fauna Shaman
1 Hua Tuo, Honored Physician
2 Immaculate Magistrate
2 Kalonian Hydra
2 Llanowar Mentor
1 Norwood Priestess
4 One with Nature
1 Silklash Spider
2 Skyshroud Poacher
1 Soul of the Harvest
3 Spike Weaver
1 Vigor
# 1 lands
20 Forest
Re: Strong AI decks
by mike » 20 Aug 2017, 16:40
I think this is a neat kind of puzzle challenge. Figuring out not only what deck works against a particularily strong opponent but is also played well by AI.
This thread gave me the motivation to add a feature to firemind.ch that I was contemplating for a while: Deck Challenges
Each user can only submit one deck to participate in the challenge and whoever gets the highest win percentage wins the challenge.
I added this sliver deck as the first challenge: https://www.firemind.ch/deck_challenges/1
Let me know what you think (and if you can beat my 8-Rack deck )
This thread gave me the motivation to add a feature to firemind.ch that I was contemplating for a while: Deck Challenges
Each user can only submit one deck to participate in the challenge and whoever gets the highest win percentage wins the challenge.
I added this sliver deck as the first challenge: https://www.firemind.ch/deck_challenges/1
Let me know what you think (and if you can beat my 8-Rack deck )
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