[confirm]Tokens copying other tokens with multiple abilities
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[confirm]Tokens copying other tokens with multiple abilities
by gnomefry » 13 Mar 2022, 20:57
Describe the Bug:
If a token creature possessing multiple abilities is copied by a token-creating effect such as Growing Ranks, Saheeli's Artistry, Rite of Replication, Spitting Image, Fated Infatuation, Cackling Counterpart, et al., the copy comes into play without one of the abilities.
Example 1: Insect tokens originally brought into play by Hornet Nest have flying and deathtouch. When Fated Infatuation copies one of these tokens it comes into play with only deathtouch.
Example 2: Knight tokens originally brought into play by Riftmarked Knight have flanking, protection from white and haste. When Growing Ranks copies one of these tokens it comes into play with flanking and haste, but not protection from white.
Subsequent copies of the copies have the 2 of 3 abilities that Growing Ranks gave it the first time -- it doesn't further deduct one ability each time.
I'll attach a savegame which demonstrates each of the above scenarios.
While there are many different spells and effects covered by this bug, note that it includes only effects that result in a token-based permanent. Copies of a token that are made via a card coming into play as a permanent (such as Clone or Phantasmal Image) are not missing any abilities of the original token.
Which update are you using? (date, name)Which type? (duel, gauntlet, sealed deck)
Holidays 2021 ad1a6f8 - gauntlet
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction?
The copy should include all abilities of the original token.
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug?
Mentioned above
If a token creature possessing multiple abilities is copied by a token-creating effect such as Growing Ranks, Saheeli's Artistry, Rite of Replication, Spitting Image, Fated Infatuation, Cackling Counterpart, et al., the copy comes into play without one of the abilities.
Example 1: Insect tokens originally brought into play by Hornet Nest have flying and deathtouch. When Fated Infatuation copies one of these tokens it comes into play with only deathtouch.
Example 2: Knight tokens originally brought into play by Riftmarked Knight have flanking, protection from white and haste. When Growing Ranks copies one of these tokens it comes into play with flanking and haste, but not protection from white.
Subsequent copies of the copies have the 2 of 3 abilities that Growing Ranks gave it the first time -- it doesn't further deduct one ability each time.
I'll attach a savegame which demonstrates each of the above scenarios.
While there are many different spells and effects covered by this bug, note that it includes only effects that result in a token-based permanent. Copies of a token that are made via a card coming into play as a permanent (such as Clone or Phantasmal Image) are not missing any abilities of the original token.
Which update are you using? (date, name)Which type? (duel, gauntlet, sealed deck)
Holidays 2021 ad1a6f8 - gauntlet
What exactly should be the correct behavior/interaction?
The copy should include all abilities of the original token.
Are any other cards possibly affected by this bug?
Mentioned above
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Re: Tokens copying other tokens with multiple abilities
by Aswan jaguar » 14 Mar 2022, 06:37
I confirm that KEYWORD_ abilities don't get copied at all by the cards mentioned above. Only the SP_KEYWORD_ abilities get copied. It doesn't matter if the token has multiple abilities or not.
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Re: [confirm]Tokens copying other tokens with multiple abili
by gnomefry » 14 Mar 2022, 15:38
Thanks for checking this out, AJ! I have a question about the ability designations you used, KEYWORD_ and SP_KEYWORD_. Does a specific ability always count as one type or the other? Or it situational?I confirm that KEYWORD_ abilities don't get copied at all by the cards mentioned above. Only the SP_KEYWORD_ abilities get copied. It doesn't matter if the token has multiple abilities or not.
The reason I ask is because in the savegame I uploaded, among various the token targets are:
1) Butterfly, a 1/1 token with flying
2) Insect, a 1/1 token with flying and deathtouch
If I select the Butterfly token for Growing Ranks upkeep effect the resulting token has flying. If I select Insect for Growing Ranks upkeep effect the resulting token has only deathtouch. Is flying an SP_KEYWORD_ on one but a KEYWORD_ on the other?
Re: [confirm]Tokens copying other tokens with multiple abili
by Aswan jaguar » 14 Mar 2022, 16:02
Yes it always counts as one type.gnomefry wrote:Does a specific ability always count as one type or the other
I see your point, I checked 3 or 4 different tokens with multiple keyword abilities and always the KEYWORD_ one wasn't copied as you mention. I then checked one with only a KEYWORD_ ability and it seemed not to be copied, too. This is why I said it doesn't matter if the token has multiple abilities.
EDIT: It seems that it will affect KEYWORD_ ability but only from tokens that use default_token_definition & token.key_plus or something like that. Cast Triplicate Spirits and then copy the token, the copied token doesn't have the ability nor the color (it is colorless) of the original one.
And I confirm that in your example the KEYWORD_ ability flying from the token with only that ability gets copied.
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Re: [confirm]Tokens copying other tokens with multiple abili
by drool66 » 14 Mar 2022, 19:11
This is my fault - broken way back in 7275d09 from December 2020
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