[WIP] Sideboarding: Considerations, Questions

[Agetian]

Yeah, that's true, it's going to be an uneasy task, but who knows, maybe we'll eventually have AI sideboarding, at least in some basic form! Thank you very much, glad you like and enjoy our work so far!

A question for everybody: seeing that Quest is internally considered a Limited game mode, should it follow the Limited or Constructed rules for sideboard? I mean, should the player be restricted to a "0 or 15 cards sideboard only" in Quest mode or should the sideboard be more free-form like in the other Limited modes? I assume the former is probably more reasonable seeing that in Quest mode, you compose a deck after buying cards/winning cards/etc. much like in Constructed, and moreover, the Quest mode does not treat your trunk as your sideboard unlike Draft/Sealed, but your advice will definitely come in handy!

And a related consideration: seeing that in Quest mode you can "own" cards (have them in your trunk) but not have them either in main *or* sideboard, should cards like Burning Wish or Death Wish be able to work with cards you have in trunk in addition to cards you put in sideboard? If so, not sure how to do it, but maybe Sloth can take a look (he originally implemented sideboard as a zone)?...

- Agetian

[krevett]

I'll give you my point of view for quest I think sideboard should be 0 or 15 like in constructed because you quicly amass cards and should be able to buils a sideboard of 15 cards.
If the sideboard goes free-form in quest mode you could reach a point where you could make an entirely new deck just by sideboarding and that would make cards like Burning Wish and the like sooooooo powerful!

[Agetian]

Thanks for your opinion! I agree with that (and it's indeed the current behavior of the sideboard in quest mode).

- Agetian

[friarsol]

A question for everybody: seeing that Quest is internally considered a Limited game mode, should it follow the Limited or Constructed rules for sideboard? I mean, should the player be restricted to a "0 or 15 cards sideboard only" in Quest mode or should the sideboard be more free-form like in the other Limited modes?

And a related consideration: seeing that in Quest mode you can "own" cards (have them in your trunk) but not have them either in main *or* sideboard, should cards like Burning Wish or Death Wish be able to work with cards you have in trunk in addition to cards you put in sideboard? If so, not sure how to do it, but maybe Sloth can take a look (he originally implemented sideboard as a zone)?...

Definitely not, you accumulate way too many cards to allow your whole trunk to be your sideboard.

Also no. The Quest should be considered a sanctioned event for wishes "10/1/2009: In a sanctioned event, a card that's "outside the game" is one that's in your sideboard. In an unsanctioned event, you may choose any card from your collection."

[Agetian]

Nice, thanks for clarifying it, Sol!

- Agetian

[friarsol]

Ok, there's definitely still a bug with the Sideboarding stuff in relation to the Deck Editor. I just noticed this twice in a row, so I think it should be reproducible.

1. Play a match and make sure you sideboard something in between games (I was winning, but I'm not sure if that matters)

2. After the game is over open up the deck editor, whatever you sideboarded is currently displayed in your "main" and whatever you sideboarded out is in your "sideboard".

3. If you try to make changes, nothing is actually kept at this point. As soon as you hit save, your whole deck resets to how it was to the start of the last match.

4. You should now be able to make changes to your deck and save them.

I'm guessing this is because your deck isn't being restored properly as the "finish match" dialog is closing.

[Agetian]

Got it fixed, Sol. Thanks for reporting!
By the way, it seems it only affected Quest mode, at least I couldn't reproduce it in other modes (which supposedly should take care of cleanups correctly already). If it ever happens again, please let me know what mode it was and whether you won the last match or lost it (it might matter).

- Agetian

[PowerClaws]

The card "Sideswipe" (not supported, i think) is flagged as though it was the sideboard or main in the Deck Import in the editor.
I believe its due to the words "Side" and "Main" being representative of sideboard and main, as both a flagged, regardless of where in the word they appear

[Max mtg]

r19039: the deck no longer holds its sideboarded state, sideboarded decks are created as copies of the original one.