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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 21 Aug 2013, 20:10

IMO Baleful Strix would be a very strong addition, too: an blocker (flying, deathtouch) and if it gets returned to the hand, the AI may draw an additional card. Additionally, it is very cheap...
Is Chittering Rsat better then, lets say Liliana's Specter? OK, true, when Hearthless Summoning in the field, the rats are better (even though it would be BB for a 1/1...)
How about Dream Stalker? If he returns the correct card to its hand anyway
Maybe one copy of Venser, Shaper Savant? (once again, only if he knows what to return)
Dire Undercurrent could prove useful, too...
Dinrova Horror? Nah, too costly... Mhm

Hmm
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Re: New quest decks

Postby moomarc » 21 Aug 2013, 20:48

I love the idea of Baleful Strix except that its a fail when Heartless Summunimg is in play.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby friarsol » 21 Aug 2013, 20:52

I couldn't tell if Sloth was intentionally avoiding 2 cost spells. Otherwise, Ravenous Rats should definitely be in. Especially since Heartless Summoning is only a 1-of.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 21 Aug 2013, 20:58

moomarc wrote:I love the idea of Baleful Strix except that its a fail when Heartless Summunimg is in play.
Yes, i also build the deck around Heartless Summoning (even though there is only one copy of it). That's why i left out all 1 toughness guys.

Maybe i will try to create a hard version without Heartless Summoning and 4 Baleful Strix.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 22 Aug 2013, 18:41

Another, although easy, deck, based on land fetching. It can get pretty hardcore with the right combo, yet the AI won't use it to its fullest anyway (Amulet of Vigor / Lotus Cobra, Perilous Forays and a token generator -> infinite land fetch), yet otherwise it is just an easy opponent.


"run Forest, run!" | Open
4 Amulet of Vigor
2 Ant Queen
2 Boundless Realms
2 Cultivate
2 Dawntreader Elk
4 Elvish Pioneer
2 Explosive Vegetation
40 Forest
4 Grazing Gladehart
4 Hunting Wilds
4 Khalni Heart Expedition
2 Kodama's Reach
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Perilous Forays
2 Primeval Bounty
2 Primeval Titan
4 Rampaging Baloths
4 Rampant Growth
2 Seed the Land
2 Seer's Sundial
4 Sporemound

(100 cards in total)
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 22 Aug 2013, 18:51

Nordos wrote:Another, although easy, deck, based on land fetching. It can get pretty hardcore with the right combo, yet the AI won't use it to its fullest anyway (Amulet of Vigor / Lotus Cobra, Perilous Forays and a token generator -> infinite land fetch), yet otherwise it is just an easy opponent.


"run Forest, run!" | Open
4 Amulet of Vigor
2 Ant Queen
2 Boundless Realms
2 Cultivate
2 Dawntreader Elk
4 Elvish Pioneer
2 Explosive Vegetation
40 Forest
4 Grazing Gladehart
4 Hunting Wilds
4 Khalni Heart Expedition
2 Kodama's Reach
4 Lotus Cobra
4 Perilous Forays
2 Primeval Bounty
2 Primeval Titan
4 Rampaging Baloths
4 Rampant Growth
2 Seed the Land
2 Seer's Sundial
4 Sporemound

(100 cards in total)
Ant Queen, Primeval Titan and Rampaging Baloths are all too powerful for an easy opponent. And we already have a medium mono G deck with Amulet of Vigor:
Galadriel 2 | Open
16 Forest|M12
2 Thawing Glaciers
4 Sapseep Forest
2 Llanowar Reborn
4 Amulet of Vigor
2 Khalni Heart Expedition
1 Time Vault
3 Explosive Vegetation
2 Kodama's Reach
2 Cultivate
4 Rampant Growth
1 Fruition
4 Scarwood Treefolk
2 Rusted Sentinel
4 Howl of the Night Pack
1 Primeval Titan
1 Beacon of Creation
1 Timbermaw Larva
1 Reach of Branches
1 Baru, Fist of Krosa
1 Grazing Gladehart
1 Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 22 Aug 2013, 19:13

Hm. I actually thought that the powerlevel is at easy, and these would be needed to deal a finishing blow should the human need to much time (as to speak, as finisher)
As long as he doesn't have some combinations, he can't really do much. Most of the times, he will only fetch lands until turn 5 or 6, before starting anything
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 22 Aug 2013, 19:52

Nordos wrote:Hm. I actually thought that the powerlevel is at easy, and these would be needed to deal a finishing blow should the human need to much time (as to speak, as finisher)
As long as he doesn't have some combinations, he can't really do much. Most of the times, he will only fetch lands until turn 5 or 6, before starting anything
The deck has a (low) chance of dropping one of these fatties on turn four. I prefer easy decks to never do unfair plays, because new players (new to Magic in general) can get frustrated by them (see this post: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11445).

I'm sure the deck works fine without these cards. Sporemound for example is on theme and passable, but never really broken.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 22 Aug 2013, 20:14

OK, although I would like to keep Ant Queen. A single removal and that thing is dead anyway, yet it is needed to build up pressure, otherwise the deck really can't do anything with its mana, only with the forest coming into play...
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 24 Aug 2013, 02:37

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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 25 Aug 2013, 12:49

Nordos wrote:OK, although I would like to keep Ant Queen. A single removal and that thing is dead anyway, yet it is needed to build up pressure, otherwise the deck really can't do anything with its mana, only with the forest coming into play...
Ok, i've added some more cards that profit from lots of forests and removed Perilous Forays, because the AI didn't really use it :

Galadriel 1 | Open
36 Forest
4 Amulet of Vigor
1 Root Maze
4 Rampant Growth
1 Ranger's Path
2 Boundless Realms
2 Cultivate
2 Explosive Vegetation
4 Hunting Wilds
4 Khalni Heart Expedition
2 Kodama's Reach
2 Primeval Bounty
2 Seed the Land
2 Seer's Sundial
4 Elvish Pioneer
2 Lotus Cobra
4 Sporemound
4 Grazing Gladehart
1 Coiling Woodworm
1 Fruition
1 Beacon of Creation
1 People of the Woods
1 Traproot Kami
1 Treefolk Seedlings
2 Ant Queen
1 Sylvan Primordial
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 31 Aug 2013, 13:26

I had another deck idea (which doesn't work as intented, of course), basing on 'sacrificing'.
"mono B sacrifice" | Open
4 Bloodflow Connoisseur
2 Phyrexian Obliterator
4 Disciple of Griselbrand
4 Reassembling Skeleton
24 Swamp
4 Harvester of Souls
4 Nether Traitor
4 Mortician Beetle
2 Woebringer Demon
4 Tenacious Dead
4 Grave Pact


Yet, if the AI could be changed that he will only use the sacrifice ability at the end of the enemy turn instead at his upkeep, it may actuallly prove strong enough to be a medium opponent ...
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 02 Sep 2013, 21:21

Nordos wrote:I had another deck idea (which doesn't work as intented, of course), basing on 'sacrificing'.
"mono B sacrifice" | Open
4 Bloodflow Connoisseur
2 Phyrexian Obliterator
4 Disciple of Griselbrand
4 Reassembling Skeleton
24 Swamp
4 Harvester of Souls
4 Nether Traitor
4 Mortician Beetle
2 Woebringer Demon
4 Tenacious Dead
4 Grave Pact


Yet, if the AI could be changed that he will only use the sacrifice ability at the end of the enemy turn instead at his upkeep, it may actuallly prove strong enough to be a medium opponent ...
It's very similar to one of your old decks:
Black Flame 3 | Open
1 Black Market
4 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
4 Death Cultist
3 Deathgreeter
3 Falkenrath Noble
1 Fume Spitter
1 Grave Betrayal
4 Grave Pact
3 Harvester of Souls
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Mox Jet
1 Ogre Slumlord
2 Royal Assassin
1 Sangromancer
4 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
2 Skirsdag High Priest
23 Swamp


The difference is that the old deck had creatures that sac themselves and the new deck has sac outlets like Disciple of Griselbrand (which the AI handles better than Bloodflow Connoisseur btw). I will try to tweak the deck or the AI to handle such a deck.

EDIT: Mmh, Attrition, Gnawing Zombie, Krovikan Horror, Malevolent Awakening, Stronghold Assassin look nice.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 04 Sep 2013, 17:14

Mhm, I really don't know what decks I've already created, so, sorry if I post a similar deck once in a time ... ^^

I thought about a deck basing on Archdemon of Greed and Xathrid Necromancer

"Black human deck" | Open
1 Skirsdag Flayer
2 Blind Zealot
4 Skirsdag High Priest
4 Dark Confidant
4 Village Cannibals
4 Deathgreeter
4 Royal Assassin
24 Swamp
4 Knight of Infamy
1 Lim-Dul the Necromancer
4 Ravenous Demon
4 Xathrid Necromancer

IMO the most problematic thing is running out of humans (with Archdemon of Greed . . .), thats why I included 4 Dark Confidant 's. ATM I would guess its powerlevel around medium.

I may try to combine it with white to raise it's level to 3 (with Mentor of the Meek and Unruly Mob - and various lifelink.

By the way, would the AI being able to handle Conspiracy? Because it would be fun if the Zombies became Humans, too :P
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 06 Sep 2013, 07:19

Nordos wrote:I thought about a deck basing on Archdemon of Greed and Xathrid Necromancer

"Black human deck" | Open
1 Skirsdag Flayer
2 Blind Zealot
4 Skirsdag High Priest
4 Dark Confidant
4 Village Cannibals
4 Deathgreeter
4 Royal Assassin
24 Swamp
4 Knight of Infamy
1 Lim-Dul the Necromancer
4 Ravenous Demon
4 Xathrid Necromancer

IMO the most problematic thing is running out of humans (with Archdemon of Greed . . .), thats why I included 4 Dark Confidant 's. ATM I would guess its powerlevel around medium.

I may try to combine it with white to raise it's level to 3 (with Mentor of the Meek and Unruly Mob - and various lifelink.
This is way too complicated. The AI needs cards that are safe to sacrifice, it will almost never sacrifice others. Here is a list based on that: 20 creatures are sacrifices, 17 cards need sacrifices and 3 cards profit from sacrifices.

Black Abott 2 | Open
24 Swamp|ONS
4 Nether Traitor
4 Reassembling Skeleton
4 Bloodghast
4 Endless Cockroaches
4 Krovikan Horror
1 Attrition
1 Malevolent Awakening
4 Gnawing Zombie
1 Gutless Ghoul
2 Stronghold Assassin
1 Nezumi Bone-Reader
2 Plagued Rusalka
1 Necrosavant
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Grave Pact
1 Mortician Beetle


Nordos wrote:By the way, would the AI being able to handle Conspiracy? Because it would be fun if the Zombies became Humans, too :P
The AI will pick the most prominent creature type in his deck. So if you manage this to be Human then yes.
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