Card Development Questions

[friarsol]

Hmm.. It feels like it should be part of the ValidTgts portion, but isValidCard down to hasProperty take the Controller and the Card source, where we would need to have access to the Ability. (So it can then check it's parents Targets). This code is used in a lot of places, and we are close to a beta release, so I don't want to just go changing that without proper discussion.

For general purpose, I think using Remember when we already have the information in Targeted isn't the right way to handle this situation, since it can have adverse effects.

[jeffwadsworth]

Would Horde of Notions be doable as a ChangeZone?

[friarsol]

Would Horde of Notions be doable as a ChangeZone?

Not really. We need AF_Cast for that.

[jeffwadsworth]

Genju of the Fens:

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Name:Genju of the Fens
ManaCost:B
Types:Enchantment Aura
Text:no text
K:Enchant Swamp
A:SP$ Attach | Cost$ B | ValidTgts$ Swamp | AILogic$ Pump
A:AB$ Animate | Cost$ 2 | Defined$ Enchanted | Power$ 2 | Toughness$ 2 | Types$ Creature,Spirit | Colors$ Black | Abilities$ ABPump | SpellDescription$ Until end of turn, enchanted Swamp becomes a 2/2 black Spirit creature with "B: This creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn." It's still a land.
T:Mode$ ChangesZone | ValidCard$ Card.AttachedBy | Origin$ Battlefield | Destination$ Graveyard | TriggerZones$ Battlefield | Execute$ TrigReturnOwner | OptionalDecider$ You | TriggerDescription$ When enchanted Swamp is put into a graveyard, you may return CARDNAME from your graveyard to your hand.
SVar:ABPump:AB$Pump | Cost$ B | Defined$ Self | NumAtt$ +1 | NumDef$ +1 | SpellDescription$ This creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
SVar:TrigReturnOwner:AB$ChangeZone | Cost$ 0 | Defined$ Self | Origin$ Graveyard | Destination$ Hand
SVar:Rarity:Uncommon
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/genju_of_the_fens.jpg
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When the Swamp is a 2/2, I am not able to tap it for mana. I can only activate the pump. Does someone see the issue?

[friarsol]

When the Swamp is a 2/2, I am not able to tap it for mana. I can only activate the pump. Does someone see the issue?

Summoning Sickness?

[jeffwadsworth]

When the Swamp is a 2/2, I am not able to tap it for mana. I can only activate the pump. Does someone see the issue?

Summoning Sickness?

That should not prevent me from tapping for mana. It is still a Land.

[slapshot5]

I don't know about Genju of the Fens, but it's not unique. The other Genju's that I submitted are affected by this also.

It looks like the SAs are still there since you can see the SpellDescriptions, so it's possibly a problem with the canPlay()?

-slapshot5

[slapshot5]

When the Swamp is a 2/2, I am not able to tap it for mana. I can only activate the pump. Does someone see the issue?

Summoning Sickness?

That should not prevent me from tapping for mana. It is still a Land.

That's exactly what's going on though. Add Permanent$ True to the Animate, and wait til the next turn. Mana abilities work as expected.

What's the correct ruling on this?

-slapshot5

[jeffwadsworth]

Ack!

A noncreature permanent that turns into a creature is subject to the "summoning sickness" rule: It can only attack, and its abilities can only be activated, if its controller has continuously controlled that permanent since the beginning of his or her most recent turn.

[friarsol]

I probably should have clarified exactly what I meant. A non-creature type that hasn't been in play since the beginning of your turn that becomes a creature is affected by "summoning sickness"

-Sol, Rules Lawyer

[jeffwadsworth]

I have been fooling around with Sentinel. The problem with using Animate is due to the targeting aspect of Sentinel's ability. Does anyone see another solution that does not involve a hack?

[friarsol]

I have been fooling around with Sentinel. The problem with using Animate is due to the targeting aspect of Sentinel's ability. Does anyone see another solution that does not involve a hack?

Do you have the Sample code? I'll try something locally and commit if it works.

[friarsol]

Alright to get this functional you need to change in AF_Animate.resolve():

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if (tgt != null)
    tgts = tgt.getTargetCards();
else
    tgts = AbilityFactory.getDefinedCards(source, params.get("Defined"), sa);


to

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if (tgt == null || params.containsKey("Defined"))
    tgts = AbilityFactory.getDefinedCards(source, params.get("Defined"), sa);
else
    tgts = tgt.getTargetCards();           


but the StackDescription is still messed up so that needs to be tweaked too. I'm not going to commit these changes, but it won't take it much to get it working.

The card is (and I expect to see Sworn Defender soon afterwards)

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Name:Sentinel
ManaCost:4
Types:Artifact Creature Shapeshifter
Text:no text
PT:1/1
A:AB$ Animate | Cost$ 0 | Defined$ Self | ValidTgts$ Creature.blockingSource,Creature.blockedBySource | TgtPrompt$ Select target creature blocking or blocked by Sentinel | Toughness$ X | Permanent$ True | SpellDescription$ CARDNAME's toughness becomes 1 plus the power of target creature blocking or blocked by CARDNAME. (This effect lasts indefinitely.)
SVar:X:Targeted$CardPower/Plus.1
End


[jeffwadsworth]

Thanks Sol. I did have a sample but I didn't expect someone to respond this quickly and grabbed a bite.

Sworn Defender is one of my RARE collection cards.

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Name:Sworn Defender
ManaCost:2 W W
Types:Creature Human Knight
Text:no text
PT:1/3
A:AB$ Animate | Cost$ 1 | Defined$ Self | ValidTgts$ Creature.blockingSource,Creature.blockedBySource | TgtPrompt$ Select target creature blocking or blocked by CARDNAME | Power$ X | Toughness$ Y | SpellDescription$ CARDNAME's power becomes the toughness of target creature blocking or being blocked by CARDNAME minus 1 until end of turn, and CARDNAME's toughness becomes 1 plus the power of that creature until end of turn.
SVar:X:Targeted$CardToughness/Minus.1
SVar:Y:Targeted$CardPower/Plus.1
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/sworn_defender.jpg
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[friarsol]

In your personal collection? I own the whole Alliances set :-d I'm very fond of it.