Manalink update 15 of July, 2012 AKA Kamigawa stories V3

[Gargaroz]

Still on Oran-Rief, that card NEVER worked perfectly, if you remind there was that bug if too much creatures CIP in the same turn : only the first N would get the counter.
And in all the other case of recoding, there was still a subtle difference from how the card worked and how the card should work, or there were bad interaction with other cards (in the old times, a card like Well of Lost Dreams would be undoable).
The problem is, I couldn't test every card I code / recode, so sometimes the bugs pop out. If I had to manually test every sigle card I release, you would wait like 6 months to see an update

[stassy]

PDA alert!

Considered as UNCODED and not found in the ingame Deck Editor even though listed in the patch note (well, even the Gatherer can't find them...) :
.7456 Azamuki, Treachery Incarnate
.7173 Dokai, Weaver of Life
.12587 Dragon Spirit
.7635 Erayo's Essence
.7658 Homura's Essence
.7446 Ichiga, Who Topples Oaks
.7449 Jaraku the Interloper
.7462 Kaiso, Memory of Loyalty
.7176 Kenzo the Hardhearted
.7684 Kuon's Essence

[porphyre]

Those are the flip version of a bunch of cards. You won't find Stabwhisker the Odious in there either even though it was included as of the 05/2012 patch...

But now testing... looks like Nezumi Shortfang is bugged and doesn't flip to Stabwhisker. Interesting.

[0rion79]

Still on Oran-Rief, that card NEVER worked perfectly, if you remind there was that bug if too much creatures CIP in the same turn : only the first N would get the counter. [...]
The problem is, I couldn't test every card I code / recode, so sometimes the bugs pop out. If I had to manually test every sigle card I release, you would wait like 6 months to see an update

Well, about Oran Rief, I remember that it was working at its top right after that the limit of 10 creatures has been fixed. Now it is something like: "T: flip a coin for each green creature who entered the battlefield this turn or had a +1/+1 counter from Oran Rief. If it is head, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature".
About testing cards, we are here to help. Of course my comment was based on a beta version that was totally not working because of the wrong files!
But really, also considering that many persons play mostly Type 2, changing older cards makes harder to find bugs since they are used less than others: so, really, consider the idea of leaving them untouched if they are working correctly.
Or, at least, list the changed ones when you release a new patch, so we can help and focus with testing rather than discovering bugs many patches later, with a greater difficulty to restore the best working code, as with Oran Rief! And so, please, restore its best code and make it working again at our best.
I really do care, thank you.

[stassy]

Some cards are ought to be recoded, even beta ones like Timetwister because of new gameplay content (a dreamer could dream about a total C conversion where cards like Mind Bend could modify any cards from any set, heh).

With the few cards we have there are so many possible interaction that we can't only focus on a few selected cards, it's up to anyone who spot a bug on their fave deck to report them

[0rion79]

"few"??? O_o

[stassy]

If you compare to others AI rule enforced software like Forge, yes we have fewer cards, but as I pointed out with these only few we have our hand full in debugging for a while...

[0rion79]

Yes, but I repeat: it is ok for me to help as I can in debugging, but also becomes a though tasks when there is a constant change of older cards. This causes at least to me the feeling of never making progresses about game's stability: just more cards and each new patch is a hunt to bugs on older cards too.
That's why I would, at least, know which are the older cards that were working and that have been changed again! That would help a little bit.

[stassy]

Well, you can take a peek at the src and srcmok folder, they contain all coded and recoded cards code so far, though establishing a clear and proper list is not as easy as listing M13 reprinted cards in ML3...

[0rion79]

I bet that our coders know which card have recoded! Just keeping a notepad file with the name of those cards, so that we can help testing, would at least ease the whole process.

[stassy]

If Gargaroz have been doing that, he wouldn't ask for a list of M13 reprinted cards in ML3 in the dev section.

The issue is that severals different coders worked on the cards and others coders reworked the same card, if you want a complete list, you would have to 1st start with yourself since you coded some, and then we shall ask others and try to make a list (starting from 1.32, we have already a list by Mok though)...

[0rion79]

Don't agree. A good teamworking is possibile even when remote working, maybe with Dropbox (just opening a notepad file, that each person updates when he/she rewrite an old card's code).

[stassy]

Unfortunately most of the coders are no longer active so you will need another way to find what they coded.

I also remind that Manalink history is plagued by a group dissension event that caused Mok to depart the 1st time, and a burnout from jatill.

Asking too much might result in unexpected and tragic results...

I still think that with what we have left we can still retrace a coded card list, it just need some time to make it, but we have to do it by ourselve.

[0rion79]

Stassy, it is like that we are talking about 2 different things.
I just expect that, when Gargaroz and any actual coder releases a new patch, they also include the list of the cards that they have re-coded IN THE LAST MONTH.
I would never ask for a complete list of all the recoded cards from the true beginning!!!

[stassy]

This is the fix list...