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Re: New quest decks

Postby moomarc » 11 Mar 2013, 17:44

Chris H. wrote:Found a quest deck with a missing pic icon:
Thanks for the icon Chris. Uploaded and download list updated.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 14 Mar 2013, 21:21

Chris H. wrote:Found a quest deck with a missing pic icon:
 
And another missing pic was discovered today.
 
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 15 Mar 2013, 16:21

I guess it's around medium. It has some pretty combos, yet it needs time to set them up - yet when they are on the battlefield, only very special decks can win against it.
The AI isn't using Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker at the moment, from what I've seen. I included it anyway, since it is, if fixed, a strong card in this deck.
Black Market is for the very late game, when the AI has already a couple of Harvester of Souls, Grave Pact and similar, providing it with mana to give deliver blow. I don't know, in what extent the AI is able to use the cards ... For a start, as long as Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker isn't fixed, I would increase Massacre Worm by one, Ogre Slumlord by one, Sangromancer by one and Falkenrath Noble by one, though.
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1 Black Market
4 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
2 Death Cultist
4 Deathgreeter
1 Desecration Elemental
2 Falkenrath Noble
1 Fallen Angel
1 Grave Betrayal
4 Grave Pact
3 Harvester of Souls
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Ogre Slumlord
3 Royal Assassin
1 Sangromancer
4 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
2 Skirsdag High Priest
24 Swamp
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 16 Mar 2013, 08:56

Nordos wrote:I guess it's around medium. It has some pretty combos, yet it needs time to set them up - yet when they are on the battlefield, only very special decks can win against it.
The AI isn't using Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker at the moment, from what I've seen. I included it anyway, since it is, if fixed, a strong card in this deck.
Black Market is for the very late game, when the AI has already a couple of Harvester of Souls, Grave Pact and similar, providing it with mana to give deliver blow. I don't know, in what extent the AI is able to use the cards ... For a start, as long as Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker isn't fixed, I would increase Massacre Worm by one, Ogre Slumlord by one, Sangromancer by one and Falkenrath Noble by one, though.
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1 Black Market
4 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
2 Death Cultist
4 Deathgreeter
1 Desecration Elemental
2 Falkenrath Noble
1 Fallen Angel
1 Grave Betrayal
4 Grave Pact
3 Harvester of Souls
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Ogre Slumlord
3 Royal Assassin
1 Sangromancer
4 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
2 Skirsdag High Priest
24 Swamp
The AI can now use Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker. You can test him with the next snapshot build, he works quite nice with Death Cultist. The ability of Fallen Angel won't be used with any of these creatures.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 16 Mar 2013, 11:10

If that's the case, I would increase Falkenrath Noble instead, then.
Do you have any other suggestions...?
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 16 Mar 2013, 12:07

Nordos wrote:If that's the case, I would increase Falkenrath Noble instead, then.
Do you have any other suggestions...?
As i've said i liked Death Cultist. I would raise him to four copies.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 16 Mar 2013, 15:05

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1 Black Market
4 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
4 Death Cultist
3 Deathgreeter
1 Desecration Elemental
3 Falkenrath Noble
1 Grave Betrayal
4 Grave Pact
3 Harvester of Souls
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Ogre Slumlord
2 Royal Assassin
1 Sangromancer
4 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
2 Skirsdag High Priest
24 Swamp
What do you think would that be? Still medium or already hard?
If it is strong enough, we could think about adding a Mox to it...


EDIT: Do we have a rat deck?
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 17 Mar 2013, 10:28

Nordos wrote:
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1 Black Market
4 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
4 Death Cultist
3 Deathgreeter
1 Desecration Elemental
3 Falkenrath Noble
1 Grave Betrayal
4 Grave Pact
3 Harvester of Souls
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Ogre Slumlord
2 Royal Assassin
1 Sangromancer
4 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
2 Skirsdag High Priest
24 Swamp
What do you think would that be? Still medium or already hard?
If it is strong enough, we could think about adding a Mox to it...
I've added Mox Jet and a Fume Spitter for a Swamp and Desecration Elemental (which the AI sometimes wasted) and made it a hard opponent:
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Name=Black Flame 3
Title=Black Flame
Difficulty=hard
Description=Mono B Sacrifice deck with Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker, Harvester of Souls and Grave Pact
Icon=Black Flame.jpg
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
1 Black Market
4 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
4 Death Cultist
3 Deathgreeter
3 Falkenrath Noble
1 Fume Spitter
1 Grave Betrayal
4 Grave Pact
3 Harvester of Souls
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Mox Jet
1 Ogre Slumlord
2 Royal Assassin
1 Sangromancer
4 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
2 Skirsdag High Priest
23 Swamp
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Nordos wrote:EDIT: Do we have a rat deck?
Not yet. Would be a welcome addition though.
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Sloth » 17 Mar 2013, 10:30

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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 17 Mar 2013, 11:04

Quick compilation for a rat deck. I just checked the rat cards, though. Worthy addition could be the likes of Door of Destinies, yet I wanted to keep it 'clean'/mono black for the beginning.
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3 Carrion Rats
2 Chittering Rats
2 Drainpipe Vermin
2 Marrow-Gnawer
4 Ogre Slumlord
4 Pack Rat
4 Pestilence Rats
4 Ratcatcher
2 Ravenous Rats
2 Razortooth Rats
24 Swamp
4 Swarm of Rats
3 Typhoid Rats
Another deck, which I'm not entirely sure of. This deck can pose a great threat, yet it has a main disadvantage: As long as Pack Rat isn't in his hand with at least another rat on the battlefield, it is quite weak. It's your call if you see it as consitent enough, IMO it is around the egde, since it can play various spells and creatures without exactly needing Pack Rat - then again it is extremly weak in this phase.
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1 Big Game Hunter
2 Call to the Netherworld
4 Dark Withering
2 Exile into Darkness
2 Ghastly Remains
4 Gnat Miser
4 Krovikan Horror
1 Oversold Cemetery
4 Pack Rat
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
24 Swamp
4 Typhoid Rats
4 Veilborn Ghoul
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 17 Mar 2013, 17:43

Here is a quick compliation of a mono red deck which builds around red's power up ability (r: +1/+0 until end of turn)
The Bloodmark Mentor and Rage Reflection fit this ability very well. The Gauntlet of Might gives extra mana for the ability (I tested it - he may not play CMC 6 cards while controling this artifact and 5 mountains, yet he would use the mana when he activates his ability).
Blood Moon is a very annoying card. Thats why I included 2 copies of Vulcanic Strength, which makes use of non-basic lands turned into Mountain 's. Then again, you could instead simple add Colos Yearling instead (I personally thought them too expensive).
The cloaks are just another possibility, to make at least one unblockable and deal a lot of damage.
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2 Blood Moon
4 Bloodmark Mentor
4 Dragon Hatchling
4 Flamekin Brawler
4 Gauntlet of Might
2 Molten Ravager
4 Moonveil Dragon
24 Mountain
4 Pyre Charger
4 Rage Reflection
2 Volcanic Strength
2 Whispersilk Cloak
TBH I just liked the card 'Blood Moon', that's why I included it :D
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Nordos » 18 Mar 2013, 14:46

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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 18 Mar 2013, 16:54

Sloth wrote:I've added Mox Jet and a Fume Spitter for a Swamp and Desecration Elemental (which the AI sometimes wasted) and made it a hard opponent:
Black Flame 3 | Open
Name=Black Flame 3
Title=Black Flame
Difficulty=hard
Description=Mono B Sacrifice deck with Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker, Harvester of Souls and Grave Pact
Icon=Black Flame.jpg
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
1 Black Market
4 Blood Artist
1 Butcher of Malakir
4 Death Cultist
3 Deathgreeter
3 Falkenrath Noble
1 Fume Spitter
1 Grave Betrayal
4 Grave Pact
3 Harvester of Souls
1 Massacre Wurm
1 Mox Jet
1 Ogre Slumlord
2 Royal Assassin
1 Sangromancer
4 Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker
2 Skirsdag High Priest
23 Swamp
[sideboard]
 
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Re: New quest decks

Postby Chris H. » 18 Mar 2013, 17:07

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Re: New quest decks

Postby friarsol » 18 Mar 2013, 17:34

I'm thinking about a Black/Red aggressive deck that focuses on having no cards in hand. Do we have something like that? I guess a bit like a Hellbent deck.

Key cards would be: Grafted Skullcap, Dread Slag, Dark Suspicions.
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