New quest decks

[Chris H.]

Ok, i found a good solution: Laboratory Maniac. Turns a weakness into a strength.

Lupin the Third 3 | Open

2 Swamp|M12
4 Island|M12
4 Underground Sea
2 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
2 Laboratory Maniac
4 Notion Thief
1 Demonic Tutor
2 Jace Beleren
1 Anvil of Bogardan
1 Kami of the Crescent Moon
4 Howling Mine
3 Words of Wisdom
4 Sinkhole
4 Spell Snare
4 Mental Misstep
1 Mana Drain
2 Doom Blade
1 Terror
1 Go for the Throat

 

[Chris H.]

Herald deck | Open

4 Angel's Herald
2 Badlands
2 Bayou
4 Behemoth's Herald
1 Boros Recruit
4 Demon's Herald
4 Dragon's Herald
1 Dryad Militant
2 Empyrial Archangel
2 Godsire
2 Hellkite Overlord
1 Nivmagus Elemental
1 Oona's Gatewarden
2 Plateau
2 Prince of Thralls
2 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Slitherhead
2 Sphinx Sovereign
4 Sphinx's Herald
2 Taiga
4 Thran Quarry
2 Tropical Island
2 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Wild Cantor

A simple Herald deck.

 

[Nordos]

golgari deck 2 | Open

4 Birds of Paradise
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Boneyard Wurm
4 Deadbridge Chant
2 Deadbridge Goliath
1 Dragon Shadow
4 Dreg Mangler
4 Drown in Filth
30 Forest
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Ghoultree
2 Gleancrawler
1 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Grisly Salvage
2 Gyre Sage
4 Jarad's Orders
2 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
4 Jund Panorama
2 Korozda Gorgon
4 Llanowar Dead
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Lord of Extinction
4 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Overgrown Battlement
2 Oversold Cemetery
4 Polluted Delta
4 Shambling Shell
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Sisters of Stone Death
4 Slitherhead
4 Splinterfright
26 Swamp
4 Urborg Elf
6 Utopia Tree
4 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Vine Trellis
4 Vulturous Zombie
4 Wall of Roots
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Worm Harvest

A Golgari deck with a huuuuge body (anti milling deck )

[Sloth]

golgari deck 2 | Open

4 Birds of Paradise
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Boneyard Wurm
4 Deadbridge Chant
2 Deadbridge Goliath
1 Dragon Shadow
4 Dreg Mangler
4 Drown in Filth
30 Forest
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Ghoultree
2 Gleancrawler
1 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Grisly Salvage
2 Gyre Sage
4 Jarad's Orders
2 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
4 Jund Panorama
2 Korozda Gorgon
4 Llanowar Dead
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Lord of Extinction
4 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Overgrown Battlement
2 Oversold Cemetery
4 Polluted Delta
4 Shambling Shell
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Sisters of Stone Death
4 Slitherhead
4 Splinterfright
26 Swamp
4 Urborg Elf
6 Utopia Tree
4 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Vine Trellis
4 Vulturous Zombie
4 Wall of Roots
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Worm Harvest

A Golgari deck with a huuuuge body (anti milling deck )

The balance of the deck is way off. There are about fifty cards that profit from cards being in the graveyard, but only 16 cards that help filling your graveyard (counting Jarad's Orders which only adds one card).

I appreciate your input on deck ideas a lot Nordos, but please also help with testing and tweaking. A working Golgari deck opponent would be really great (we currently only have the UBG Hobbes decks), so i will add it when it's functional.

[Sloth]

UB milling with symmetrical draw and Notion Thief | Open

4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Font of Mythos
3 Glimpse the Unthinkable
3 Howling Mine
12 Island
2 Jace Beleren
4 Jace's Erasure
2 Jace's Phantasm
2 Kami of the Crescent Moon
1 Keening Stone
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Meishin, the Mind Cage
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
4 Notion Thief
2 Psychic Strike
3 Reliquary Tower
1 Seizan, Perverter of Truth
4 Teferi's Puzzle Box
2 Thought Scour
4 Underground Sea
2 Venser's Journal

Hm. Dunno. Could be something, yet it may not be working. That's because I am not able to test it since I have not the knowlegde to add Notion Thief to my version

Thinking about it - it needs something which prevents being attacked in the first 5 rounds. do you have any idea what could be included besides Royal Assassin? Maybe Fog Bank ...

This deck is promising, but also needs some testing: Jace's Erasure, Howling Mine and Notion Thief work great together, but sometimes it does nothing in the first three turns and then drops Teferi's Puzzle Box, followed by Venser's Journal and Keening Stone. Ugh.

[Nordos]

golgari deck 2 | Open

4 Birds of Paradise
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Boneyard Wurm
4 Deadbridge Chant
2 Deadbridge Goliath
1 Dragon Shadow
4 Dreg Mangler
4 Drown in Filth
30 Forest
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Ghoultree
2 Gleancrawler
1 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Grisly Salvage
2 Gyre Sage
4 Jarad's Orders
2 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
4 Jund Panorama
2 Korozda Gorgon
4 Llanowar Dead
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Lord of Extinction
4 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Noble Hierarch
4 Overgrown Battlement
2 Oversold Cemetery
4 Polluted Delta
4 Shambling Shell
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Sisters of Stone Death
4 Slitherhead
4 Splinterfright
26 Swamp
4 Urborg Elf
4 Utopia Tree
4 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Vine Trellis
4 Vulturous Zombie
4 Wall of Roots
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Worm Harvest

A Golgari deck with a huuuuge body (anti milling deck )

The balance of the deck is way off. There are about fifty cards that profit from cards being in the graveyard, but only 16 cards that help filling your graveyard (counting Jarad's Orders which only adds one card).

I appreciate your input on deck ideas a lot Nordos, but please also help with testing and tweaking. A working Golgari deck opponent would be really great (we currently only have the UBG Hobbes decks), so i will add it when it's functional.

I don't know whetever the AI does use the deck effective, yet when I tested it, it was a pretty solid medium deck. Gotta let the AI play the deck and look whetever he does what he is supposed to do

For the Notion Thief deck: Yes, I'm aware of that problem, yet I don't know how to make it more consistent. I already tried my utmost :-/

EDIT: Im pretty sure there are more then 16 cards which add cards into the yard:
4 Splinterfright 4 Jarad's Orders 4 Grisly Salvage 4 Drown in Filth 4 Deadbridge Chant - that adds up to 20
I did try to get a sacrifice theme, too (with the Varolz, the Scar-Striped and Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord.
Due to the high count of mana accelerators, he is able to play Ghoultree and it's like pretty fast w/o needing to rely on having creatures in the yard

How does the AI use Sewer Nemesis? Would he choose himself as the player, too?
Some dregde cards could be included, but I always fear that he would only dregde these cards, leaving him with these weak ones and miss the chance to play, for example, Deadbridge Chant. Otherwise I would suggest following creatures: Stinkweed Imp and Golgari Grave-Troll.
I would personally go against Life from the Loam. I deeply am concerned that the AI wouldn't know when to stop in the lategame...

[Sloth]

I think i got the Hellbent deck working:

Diablo 3 | Open

4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Mountain
4 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Keldon Megaliths
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rakdos Cackler
1 Tormented Soul
4 Bump in the Night
4 Executioner's Capsule
4 Seal of Fire
4 Blood Scrivener
4 Gobhobbler Rats
1 Drekavac
2 Minotaur Explorer
1 Jagged Poppet
1 Avatar of Discord
1 Dread Slag
1 Dark Suspicions
2 Grafted Skullcap
2 Bottled Cloister

[Nordos]

Did you test it for yourself, Sloth? I would change the deck a bit into

golgari med | Open

4 Birds of Paradise
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Boneyard Wurm
4 Deadbridge Chant
4 Deadbridge Goliath
4 Dreg Mangler
4 Drown in Filth
28 Forest
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Ghoultree
2 Gleancrawler
3 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Grisly Salvage
2 Gyre Sage
4 Jarad's Orders
3 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
4 Jund Panorama
4 Llanowar Dead
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Lord of Extinction
4 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Overgrown Battlement
4 Polluted Delta
4 Shambling Shell
2 Sheoldred, Whispering One
4 Slitherhead
4 Splinterfright
4 Stinkweed Imp
24 Swamp
4 Urborg Elf
4 Utopia Tree
4 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Vine Trellis
4 Vulturous Zombie
4 Wall of Roots
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Worm Harvest (due to fetchlands, it should still quite useable even w/o cards to put lands into the yard)

On another note: Do you can think of any improvements for this deck:

golgari/simic | Open

4 Bayou
2 Bred for the Hunt
2 Cloudfin Raptor
4 Corpsejack Menace
2 Crowned Ceratok
2 Cytoplast Root-Kin
4 Dimir Guildgate
2 Elusive Krasis
2 Experiment One
2 Fathom Mage
4 Golgari Guildgate
4 Master Biomancer
1 Prime Speaker Zegana
4 Renegade Krasis
2 Sapphire Drake
2 Shambleshark
4 Simic Guildgate
2 Slitherhead
1 Tree of Redemption
4 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
2 Zameck Guildmage

And while we are about it, what do you think about a cipher related deck? Yes, there was a reason why I kept insisting on improving it

cipher with 'spell casted' related cards | Open

2 Call of the Nightwing
3 Circu, Dimir Lobotomist
4 Consuming Aberration
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Hands of Binding
4 Invisible Stalker
11 Island
2 Last Thoughts
1 Midnight Recovery
2 Stolen Identity
4 Swamp
2 Tablet of the Guilds (-> maybe increase the count?)
3 Talrand, Sky Summoner (-> are 3 maybe over the top?)
1 Tidespout Tyrant
3 Tormented Soul
2 Undercity Plague
4 Underground Sea
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Voidwalk
2 Will-o'-the-Wisp

[Chris H.]

I think i got the Hellbent deck working:

Diablo 3 | Open

4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Mountain
4 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Keldon Megaliths
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rakdos Cackler
1 Tormented Soul
4 Bump in the Night
4 Executioner's Capsule
4 Seal of Fire
4 Blood Scrivener
4 Gobhobbler Rats
1 Drekavac
2 Minotaur Explorer
1 Jagged Poppet
1 Avatar of Discord
1 Dread Slag
1 Dark Suspicions
2 Grafted Skullcap
2 Bottled Cloister

 

[Nordos]

anti B Painters Servant Deck | Open

4 Bayou
2 Chameleon Colossus
4 Compost
4 Darkest Hour
2 Demon's Horn
10 Forest
2 Great Sable Stag
2 Lifeforce
4 Mold Adder
4 Painter's Servant
2 Pygmy Kavu
2 Reap
2 Smolder Initiate
2 Spectral Force
5 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Whirling Dervish
4 Woodland Cemetery

I'm not totally happy with it. Do you have any idea how it could become stronger...?

[Sloth]

Did you test it for yourself, Sloth? I would change the deck a bit into

golgari med | Open

4 Birds of Paradise
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Boneyard Wurm
4 Deadbridge Chant
4 Deadbridge Goliath
4 Dreg Mangler
4 Drown in Filth
28 Forest
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Ghoultree
2 Gleancrawler
3 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Grisly Salvage
2 Gyre Sage
4 Jarad's Orders
3 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
4 Jund Panorama
4 Llanowar Dead
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Lord of Extinction
4 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Overgrown Battlement
4 Polluted Delta
4 Shambling Shell
2 Sheoldred, Whispering One
4 Slitherhead
4 Splinterfright
4 Stinkweed Imp
24 Swamp
4 Urborg Elf
4 Utopia Tree
4 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Vine Trellis
4 Vulturous Zombie
4 Wall of Roots
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Worm Harvest (due to fetchlands, it should still quite useable even w/o cards to put lands into the yard)

The more i play this deck the more flaws unveil: The Scavenge creatues and Varolz, the Scar-Striped in particular often lessen the count of creatures in the graveyard which leads to Boneyard Wurm dying and Deadbridge Chant always returning lands.

anti B Painters Servant Deck | Open

4 Bayou
2 Chameleon Colossus
4 Compost
4 Darkest Hour
2 Demon's Horn
10 Forest
2 Great Sable Stag
2 Lifeforce
4 Mold Adder
4 Painter's Servant
2 Pygmy Kavu
2 Reap
2 Smolder Initiate
2 Spectral Force
5 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Whirling Dervish
4 Woodland Cemetery

I'm not totally happy with it. Do you have any idea how it could become stronger...?

Maybe you can add white for Enlightened Tutor, Haunted Angel, Hunted Lammasu and some anti black cards?

[timmermac]

I think i got the Hellbent deck working:

Diablo 3 | Open

4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Mountain
4 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Keldon Megaliths
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
3 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Rakdos Cackler
1 Tormented Soul
4 Bump in the Night
4 Executioner's Capsule
4 Seal of Fire
4 Blood Scrivener
4 Gobhobbler Rats
1 Drekavac
2 Minotaur Explorer
1 Jagged Poppet
1 Avatar of Discord
1 Dread Slag
1 Dark Suspicions
2 Grafted Skullcap
2 Bottled Cloister

 

Here's a much better Diablo pic... might need a bit of editing.

[Chris H.]

Here's a much better Diablo pic... might need a bit of editing.

 
I do like your pic better than mine.

While doing a google search I discovered that there was a comic character named Diablo who was a villain in a Marvel comic book, and I suspected that Sloth might be more of a Marvel comic book fan than a Diablo computer game fan.

We will put Sloth in a bind and let him state which Diablo he was thinking about.

[Nordos]

Did you test it for yourself, Sloth? I would change the deck a bit into

golgari med | Open

4 Birds of Paradise
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Boneyard Wurm
4 Deadbridge Chant
4 Deadbridge Goliath
4 Dreg Mangler
4 Drown in Filth
28 Forest
4 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Ghoultree
2 Gleancrawler
3 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Grisly Salvage
2 Gyre Sage
4 Jarad's Orders
3 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
4 Jund Panorama
4 Llanowar Dead
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Lord of Extinction
4 Marsh Flats
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Overgrown Battlement
4 Polluted Delta
4 Shambling Shell
2 Sheoldred, Whispering One
4 Slitherhead
4 Splinterfright
4 Stinkweed Imp
24 Swamp
4 Urborg Elf
4 Utopia Tree
4 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Vine Trellis
4 Vulturous Zombie
4 Wall of Roots
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Worm Harvest (due to fetchlands, it should still quite useable even w/o cards to put lands into the yard)

The more i play this deck the more flaws unveil: The Scavenge creatues and Varolz, the Scar-Striped in particular often lessen the count of creatures in the graveyard which leads to Boneyard Wurm dying and Deadbridge Chant always returning lands.

well, it is true that these are, somehow, anti synergic. (or, let me phrase it different: Chant does help the troll, yet the troll does not help the chant.)
What I thought about it is, that since it is such a huge body, there are simply not enough cards which profit in either way from cards being in the yard. Both of them do profit from having cards in the yard, yet the probability of drawing cards which do are less when you have only scavenge / boneyard.
So, either reducing the body in total (while I really wanted to see another >=200 card deck) or keeping it this way. IMO it is a solid medium opponent, so the reduced version could become, with some addition, maybe a hard opponent. How does that sound? I will try to cut one of these (prefereable scavenge) and see if it would be strong enough for hard (even though I doubt it)

anti B Painters Servant Deck | Open

4 Bayou
2 Chameleon Colossus
4 Compost
4 Darkest Hour
2 Demon's Horn
10 Forest
2 Great Sable Stag
2 Lifeforce
4 Mold Adder
4 Painter's Servant
2 Pygmy Kavu
2 Reap
2 Smolder Initiate
2 Spectral Force
5 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Whirling Dervish
4 Woodland Cemetery

I'm not totally happy with it. Do you have any idea how it could become stronger...?

Maybe you can add white for Enlightened Tutor, Haunted Angel, Hunted Lammasu and some anti black cards?

Hm... So we would get W G B.
White has a lot of cards which benefit from having the enemy being soley black. It could be interesting.
That said - does the AI know how to use circle of prot?

[Sloth]

Here's a much better Diablo pic... might need a bit of editing.

 
I do like your pic better than mine.

While doing a google search I discovered that there was a comic character named Diablo who was a villain in a Marvel comic book, and I suspected that Sloth might be more of a Marvel comic book fan than a Diablo computer game fan.

We will put Sloth in a bind and let him state which Diablo he was thinking about.

Actually i'm not a big Marvel (or DC) fan and i don't even know half of the Marvel characters i've used. They just provide a nice pool of characters to grab from.

Concerning Diablo, i didn't know about the Marvel character. Just as timmermac, i had the Blizzard character in mind.