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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 07 Aug 2013, 14:44
I agree, definitely not worth it.sumomole wrote:228 empty abilities? Give up!
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by sumomole » 07 Aug 2013, 14:50
Another question, how put the code that in the repeating block into the LOL file?RiiakShiNal wrote:I agree, definitely not worth it.sumomole wrote:228 empty abilities? Give up!
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by MC Brodie » 07 Aug 2013, 15:41
Lol I suppose thats not a good solution then... But what about the text strings for things like multiple choice questions? I thought you could at least pass variables through those (maybe it was 2013). Something with %d?
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by East Bay » 07 Aug 2013, 17:28
Yeah its tested. I didnt add it to my text permanent so I forgot to change the target tags
: Exile target instant or sorcery card from a graveyard. Each opponent loses 2 life.]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
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CARD_QUERY_CHOOSE_LAND_TO_EXILE
CARD_QUERY_CHOOSE_INSTANT_OR_SORCERY_TO_EXILE
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by drleg3nd » 07 Aug 2013, 17:32
these alsoXander9009 wrote:You should put them in code blocks (just like you do spoiler blocks) so the code spacing is maintained. Just hit spoiler, then code, then put the code in there and it'll be good to go. Also, in the spoiler block, if you make it say ["spoiler='cardname'"] without any quotes, then the cardname will appear like in the following. Just makes them look nicer. (Not putting them in code blocks. That's pretty much required haha. They're next to impossible to read otherwise.) I haven't changed anything yet, just making them easier to read.drleg3nd wrote:hey can someone help with these cards:
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- Silverblade Paladin | Open
- Notion Thief | Open
- Consuming Aberration | Open
- Hidden Strings | Open
- Pilfered Plans | Open
- Render Silent | Open
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 07 Aug 2013, 18:11
I assume you are talking about the repeating RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION in your posted Urza's Incubator. If that is the case and you simply want to put that whole thing into a LOL function then you would separate it like this (obviously you can change the prefix and function name to suit you):sumomole wrote:Another question, how put the code that in the repeating block into the LOL file?
- LOL function | Open
- New RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION | Open
Now you may want to change a few things around or encapsulate a couple of things to make this more reusable. Such as either taking the first RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION and putting it into a LOL as well and change the data chest register on the EffectDC to something other than 0 so it won't interfere with any TARGET blocks or other code that might be used in the same effect. Or you might have it passed as a parameter so that the effect writer could choose which register to put it into.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Scion of Darkness » 07 Aug 2013, 21:20
Is it possible to code fluctuator? Thanks
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 07 Aug 2013, 21:56
As far as I know there is no way to reduce the costs for activated abilities. You could, however, make a work-around that grants reduced cost versions of the abilities to the cards that have them, but you would need to keep track of all possible cards with cycling and all possible cycling abilities.Scion of Darkness wrote:Is it possible to code Fluctuator? Thanks
Simple answer: No, but you could fake it.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Fero » 07 Aug 2013, 23:19
Some Requests Please:
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by MC Brodie » 07 Aug 2013, 23:21
I had to make a few tweaks to Springjack Pasture but got working. Thanks for the help. The last ability is suppose to be a mana ability but, like you said, I don't know if there is a way to make a backup mana function that works since you still would need to sac some goats. I commented out that whole static ability section (which still is looking for allies by the wayXander9009 wrote:Springjack Pasture BADLY needs tested. I honestly don't expect it to work quite properly. I also haven't looked into whether or not the last ability SHOULD be shut down along with activated abilities, but it WILL be because I don't know how to make it work even then. Riiak keeps his mana abilities available by granting the normal mana abilities if activated ones are shut down. But I don't know how to adapt that (or even if it CAN be adapted) to this.
) and it seems to work fine. Is there a way to have cancel out of the multiple choice question that asks what color of mana you'd like to produce? It would be nice if there was in case someone wants to check on which color of mana they needed or if they accidentally hit the sac goat ability instead of one of the other abilities. I tried escape but it wasn't working.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 07 Aug 2013, 23:53
Ah, I've never seen PlayerDataChest.RiiakShiNal wrote:In this case you could use something like:
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<STATIC_ABILITY>
<CONTINUOUS_ACTION layer="0">
-- Clear variable to make sure we don't have any old values (though this could also be done on the manager itself.
EffectController():PlayerDataChest():Int_Clear( 123456 )
</CONTINUOUS_ACTION>
<CONTINUOUS_ACTION layer="8">
-- Do some checking to see if we need a time window (maybe check it we're tapped or something).
-- If we need a time window say we need one.
EffectController():PlayerDataChest():Int_Set( 123456, 1 )
</CONTINUOUS_ACTION>
</STATIC_ABILITY>
I must be missing something. This is the second time you've said they're designed to leave play quickly, but I still don't know what about their design makes them only useful for leaving play quickly. The code I wrote made sure only one was on the field, so the second one was already addressed. The way I was doing it, the manager token was less of a manager and more of a time-sink. It didn't actually manage anything. Instead, its very existence made the game wait during upkeep, so the third point is solved, because I actually only want my token to show up when needed.RiiakShiNal wrote:They aren't suitable for a couple of reasons:
- They are designed to leave play quickly (not stick around).
- There can be a lot of mana tokens in play, but for a manager you only want a max of one per player.
- Mana tokens show up only when needed, but a manager needs to be present for the entire game so it should be created (optimally) before the first turn and remain in play until the end of the game.
I'm not just trying to be stubborn, I promise. I'm just trying to understand WHY I can't do it that way. I can't get better if I don't know why what I'm doing is wrong. Thank you for being patient so far
Now that I know about PlayerDataChest (I assume this can be abbreviated to PlayerDC... We'll see), I'll use that and leave the token in play. I imagine each card that needs to use it would need to have two separate triggered abilities. One to turn the variable off when not needed, and a later one to turn it on when needed, right?
EDIT: Perhaps I should point out that when I said I made my token match your mana token setup, what I meant was I remove the multiverse ID and the type. That's as far as the similarity went (except the protections, but that was a separate attempt).
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I was trying to do it without keeping track of all possible cards. Instead, putting an ability on each card to handle it itself. But they need to also work together so they don't wait many times during the upkeep.sumomole wrote:That's very easy, just need to create an empty triggered ability, "EffectSource () == filter: GetNthEvaluatedObject (0)" will ensures that only one card triggered ability will be triggered, regardless of how many cards on the battlefield, if you have a lot of different cards need do this, you also need to create a function to collect these names.EDIT: Here is the thefiremind's function that as I said, and he has helped you to put Braid of Fire into the LOL file, so you just need to add the triggered ability to your card.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 08 Aug 2013, 00:10
Alright, if you wan to edit your original post (if you haven't already) to those new tags, I'll link to it (I don't like copying the code over, that way only one post needs edited in case a bug or a better way is found). If you'd prefer, I could just copy the code to the new block of request fills I do. It's 100% up to you.East Bay wrote:Yeah its tested. I didnt add it to my text permanent so I forgot to change the target tagsand dont forget Riiaks mana functions ofc
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There's really no need. When the current list of requests is done by me or someone else, I'll go back and collect all the unfilled ones again.drleg3nd wrote:just wanna bump my request so it wont get lost in the fold lol
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I copied it from my Harabaz Druid, so I'm not surprised it has some ally leftovers. I'm glad it's working. I've actually been meaning to find a way to cancel out of those anyway. An ability on my testing card suffers from the same issue: if I click it by accident I'm stuck with it. Unfortunately, I don't know off-hand how to do that. I'll try the obvious things and let you know if I manage it.MC Brodie wrote:I had to make a few tweaks to Springjack Pasture but got working. Thanks for the help. The last ability is suppose to be a mana ability but, like you said, I don't know if there is a way to make a backup mana function that works since you still would need to sac some goats. I commented out that whole static ability section (which still is looking for allies by the way
Is there a way to have cancel out of the multiple choice question that asks what color of mana you'd like to produce? It would be nice if there was in case someone wants to check on which color of mana they needed or if they accidentally hit the sac goat ability instead of one of the other abilities. I tried escape but it wasn't working.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by RiiakShiNal » 08 Aug 2013, 01:04
Maybe it's just that we are misunderstanding each other. Point 1 refers to the ability that exiles them at the end of every step (if you remove that ability then that point is moot). Point 2 was in reference to the fact that there is no checking to prevent more than 1 for a player from being created (if you addressed that then this point is moot). Point 3 refers to managers actually needing to stick around for a long time (possibly being put in play before the card(s) that actually use them and being present even after such cards leave play). Point 3 is important even for something as simple as managing a time window during upkeep.Xander9009 wrote:I must be missing something. This is the second time you've said they're designed to leave play quickly, but I still don't know what about their design makes them only useful for leaving play quickly. The code I wrote made sure only one was on the field, so the second one was already addressed. The way I was doing it, the manager token was less of a manager and more of a time-sink. It didn't actually manage anything. Instead, its very existence made the game wait during upkeep, so the third point is solved, because I actually only want my token to show up when needed.
Simply using triggered abilities to set the variable will not be sufficient in managing the time window (data chests on the player are persistent and are rarely cleared). Consider the case where the card that needs the time window changes controllers. Does the new controller have the token? Did the token for the old controller leave play? Will it still trigger a time window for the old controller even though it is no longer necessary? Did the card get exiled from the new controller's control? Was it returned to it's owner's hand? What happens to the token in those circumstances? What about if the player stops being able to use activated abilities? Will the token still trigger the time window even though it might be pointless? What if the card that uses this token loses all abilities then leaves play, what happens then?
Ultimately you will want to use one manager per player to manage the time window and you will want to use static abilities to set and clear the variables, not triggered abilities. The manager can have a static ability that clears the variable on layer 0 making sure it is always clear if it is not needed regardless of what happens to the card(s) that use it. This also prevents the engine from needing to potentially create and remove a token multiple times. The cards would then have a static ability that works on layer 6 and sets the variable only if it needs a time window. This also covers the case if the card somehow loses all abilities as then it won't set the variable and it won't trigger a time window.
If all you're talking about here is removing the multiverse ID and type then there is no problem, when you said you were going to match my token setup I thought you meant keeping how the token enters and leaves play quickly. Though if you are going to change all that code it would be simpler to start from a token that is already designed to be a manager as then there will be less code to change (this is what I was talking about with suitability).Xander9009 wrote:I'm not just trying to be stubborn, I promise. I'm just trying to understand WHY I can't do it that way. I can't get better if I don't know why what I'm doing is wrong. Thank you for being patient so far
EDIT: Perhaps I should point out that when I said I made my token match your mana token setup, what I meant was I remove the multiverse ID and the type. That's as far as the similarity went (except the protections, but that was a separate attempt).
Nope, sorry no PlayerDC you have to use something like EffectController():PlayerDataChest(), targetPlayer:PlayerDataChest(), etc... unless you make a function PlayerDC. Again you would not use triggered abilities to manage the variable that needs to be handled using static abilities. Though you will need triggered abilities to bring the manager into play.Xander9009 wrote:Now that I know about PlayerDataChest (I assume this can be abbreviated to PlayerDC... We'll see), I'll use that and leave the token in play. I imagine each card that needs to use it would need to have two separate triggered abilities. One to turn the variable off when not needed, and a later one to turn it on when needed, right?
You can put the question into a PLAY_TIME_ACTION instead of a RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION which will give you a cancel option. Just make sure that if you have any RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTIONs before that block you change them to PLAY_TIME_ACTIONs as well otherwise you will screw up the order of events.Xander9009 wrote:I copied it from my Harabaz Druid, so I'm not surprised it has some ally leftovers. I'm glad it's working. I've actually been meaning to find a way to cancel out of those anyway. An ability on my testing card suffers from the same issue: if I click it by accident I'm stuck with it. Unfortunately, I don't know off-hand how to do that. I'll try the obvious things and let you know if I manage it.MC Brodie wrote:Is there a way to have cancel out of the multiple choice question that asks what color of mana you'd like to produce? It would be nice if there was in case someone wants to check on which color of mana they needed or if they accidentally hit the sac goat ability instead of one of the other abilities. I tried escape but it wasn't working.
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Re: Formal Request Thread
by Xander9009 » 08 Aug 2013, 01:29
Ah, ok. Now I think I understand a bit better. Since the only obvious problem I was having was getting rid of the token, I copied the upper half of the only kind of invisible token I knew of which I was certain could be eliminated: one of your mana tokens. I knew they could be gotten rid of, so I copied everything but the abilities (which turned out to only be removing the multiverse id and type). Unfortunately, while the crashing stopped, so did everything else 
As for the triggered vs static ability, I didn't think a static ability could have a resolution time action, which I thought was required to set variables. But now that I know I can do that in a continuous action, I'll do that.
Regarding PlayerDataChest, yeah, I figured that out pretty quick when the game told me it didn't exist lol.
And finally, I've seen PLAY_TIME_ACTION a few times, but I didn't know how it differed from RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION. I assume they're essentially the same, then, except that PLAY_TIME_ACTION happens as you play it, meaning before it's actually on the stack, thus cancel is an option.
Thanks for taking the time. I really do appreciate it.
As for the triggered vs static ability, I didn't think a static ability could have a resolution time action, which I thought was required to set variables. But now that I know I can do that in a continuous action, I'll do that.
Regarding PlayerDataChest, yeah, I figured that out pretty quick when the game told me it didn't exist lol.
And finally, I've seen PLAY_TIME_ACTION a few times, but I didn't know how it differed from RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION. I assume they're essentially the same, then, except that PLAY_TIME_ACTION happens as you play it, meaning before it's actually on the stack, thus cancel is an option.
Thanks for taking the time. I really do appreciate it.
RiiakShiNal wrote:Maybe it's just that we are misunderstanding each other. Point 1 refers to the ability that exiles them at the end of every step (if you remove that ability then that point is moot). Point 2 was in reference to the fact that there is no checking to prevent more than 1 for a player from being created (if you addressed that then this point is moot). Point 3 refers to managers actually needing to stick around for a long time (possibly being put in play before the card(s) that actually use them and being present even after such cards leave play). Point 3 is important even for something as simple as managing a time window during upkeep.Xander9009 wrote:I must be missing something. This is the second time you've said they're designed to leave play quickly, but I still don't know what about their design makes them only useful for leaving play quickly. The code I wrote made sure only one was on the field, so the second one was already addressed. The way I was doing it, the manager token was less of a manager and more of a time-sink. It didn't actually manage anything. Instead, its very existence made the game wait during upkeep, so the third point is solved, because I actually only want my token to show up when needed.
Simply using triggered abilities to set the variable will not be sufficient in managing the time window (data chests on the player are persistent and are rarely cleared). Consider the case where the card that needs the time window changes controllers. Does the new controller have the token? Did the token for the old controller leave play? Will it still trigger a time window for the old controller even though it is no longer necessary? Did the card get exiled from the new controller's control? Was it returned to it's owner's hand? What happens to the token in those circumstances? What about if the player stops being able to use activated abilities? Will the token still trigger the time window even though it might be pointless? What if the card that uses this token loses all abilities then leaves play, what happens then?
Ultimately you will want to use one manager per player to manage the time window and you will want to use static abilities to set and clear the variables, not triggered abilities. The manager can have a static ability that clears the variable on layer 0 making sure it is always clear if it is not needed regardless of what happens to the card(s) that use it. This also prevents the engine from needing to potentially create and remove a token multiple times. The cards would then have a static ability that works on layer 6 and sets the variable only if it needs a time window. This also covers the case if the card somehow loses all abilities as then it won't set the variable and it won't trigger a time window.If all you're talking about here is removing the multiverse ID and type then there is no problem, when you said you were going to match my token setup I thought you meant keeping how the token enters and leaves play quickly. Though if you are going to change all that code it would be simpler to start from a token that is already designed to be a manager as then there will be less code to change (this is what I was talking about with suitability).Xander9009 wrote:I'm not just trying to be stubborn, I promise. I'm just trying to understand WHY I can't do it that way. I can't get better if I don't know why what I'm doing is wrong. Thank you for being patient so far
EDIT: Perhaps I should point out that when I said I made my token match your mana token setup, what I meant was I remove the multiverse ID and the type. That's as far as the similarity went (except the protections, but that was a separate attempt).Nope, sorry no PlayerDC you have to use something like EffectController():PlayerDataChest(), targetPlayer:PlayerDataChest(), etc... unless you make a function PlayerDC. Again you would not use triggered abilities to manage the variable that needs to be handled using static abilities. Though you will need triggered abilities to bring the manager into play.Xander9009 wrote:Now that I know about PlayerDataChest (I assume this can be abbreviated to PlayerDC... We'll see), I'll use that and leave the token in play. I imagine each card that needs to use it would need to have two separate triggered abilities. One to turn the variable off when not needed, and a later one to turn it on when needed, right?You can put the question into a PLAY_TIME_ACTION instead of a RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION which will give you a cancel option. Just make sure that if you have any RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTIONs before that block you change them to PLAY_TIME_ACTIONs as well otherwise you will screw up the order of events.Xander9009 wrote:I copied it from my Harabaz Druid, so I'm not surprised it has some ally leftovers. I'm glad it's working. I've actually been meaning to find a way to cancel out of those anyway. An ability on my testing card suffers from the same issue: if I click it by accident I'm stuck with it. Unfortunately, I don't know off-hand how to do that. I'll try the obvious things and let you know if I manage it.MC Brodie wrote:Is there a way to have cancel out of the multiple choice question that asks what color of mana you'd like to produce? It would be nice if there was in case someone wants to check on which color of mana they needed or if they accidentally hit the sac goat ability instead of one of the other abilities. I tried escape but it wasn't working.
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