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Age of Dodekatheon - UPDATED 01/09/2014 DXT1 (183 cards)
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 00:35
Thanks a lot for your detailed and quick reply Riiak. Can you kindly let me know how i can change mana token proprerties to make them visible (add the type) to make some test? Sorry for the silly question but i'm still going into programming and you are the maker of this function 
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 13 Oct 2013, 00:52
Well, the easiest way is to open up the token XMLs and put in:
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<TYPE metaname="Land" />
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 01:00
Thanks again for yout time my friend, i think your suggestion needs to edit the XMLs inside your mod. I tried another way it seems to work. I changed the proprerties of the Mox adding a static ability :
Thanks again for your time.
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<STATIC_ABILITY>
<FILTER filter_id="0">
local filter = ClearFilter()
filter:Add(FE_CARD_INSTANCE, OP_NOT, EffectSource() )
filter:Add(FE_CONTROLLER, OP_IS, EffectController() )
filter:Add( FE_IS_TOKEN, true )
</FILTER>
<CONTINUOUS_ACTION layer="4" filter_id="0">
local card = FilteredCard()
if card ~= nil then
local characteristics = card:GetCurrentCharacteristics()
local type = characteristics:CardType_GetWritable()
type:Add( CARD_TYPE_LAND)
end
</CONTINUOUS_ACTION>
</STATIC_ABILITY>
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 01:12
Done as you can see inside the follow screenshoots using the left CTRL key are highlighted different token and the life points needed changes. but the system seems to wait a confirmation to go over! Any idea how to resolve this bug??
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 13 Oct 2013, 01:47
That method works too, it's not necessarily as easy (it's more than 1 line) and can cause issues with other tokens, but it works.
I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be seeing in those screenshots. Usually you choose the mana you want to spend on a spell with the Left Control key before you cast the spell, then when you are happy with the selected mana configuration you cast the spell and it uses the configuration you selected.
However, in your screenshots it looks like you have already cast a spell and you are selecting a mana configuration (though we can't tell from the screenshots which token is which colour of mana because we can't read the titles, image is too small to see) for some ability or something so I have no idea what you are doing in those screenshots nor do I have any idea what to tell you.
It might help if you posted the code of the card that is giving you problems, but without details about exactly what you are doing/trying to do (step-by-step so we can reproduce the problem), the expected outcome, and the actual outcome I'm not sure how much help we will be able to give.
I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be seeing in those screenshots. Usually you choose the mana you want to spend on a spell with the Left Control key before you cast the spell, then when you are happy with the selected mana configuration you cast the spell and it uses the configuration you selected.
However, in your screenshots it looks like you have already cast a spell and you are selecting a mana configuration (though we can't tell from the screenshots which token is which colour of mana because we can't read the titles, image is too small to see) for some ability or something so I have no idea what you are doing in those screenshots nor do I have any idea what to tell you.
It might help if you posted the code of the card that is giving you problems, but without details about exactly what you are doing/trying to do (step-by-step so we can reproduce the problem), the expected outcome, and the actual outcome I'm not sure how much help we will be able to give.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 02:51
First of all thanks as always for your kindness.
1. Until today i didn't know about the left CTRL key to select mana combinations, for this reason in certain situations i was not happy about automatic mana tap.
2. Inside these screenshoots you see exactly the status of the game after i tried to cast the spell. It is blocked into the stack and doesn't go over. If i press the CTRL key the the mana combinations and life point still changes.
3. I tried many time with different mana, sometime it works and it is cast, other times it is blocked into the stack. I am using only Mox to test the deck so no basic land, this mox is a modified version take from your Mod, it produce 3 colored mana instead of one.
4. If i use 1 mox (3 mana of one color) it works except for the red mana (if you use 3 red mana it display the question)
If i use 2 mox (6 mana - 2 different colors, 3 mana per color) it display a question (see the screenshoot below)
If i use 3 mox (9 mana - 3 different colors 3 mana per color) it display a question (see the screenshoot below)
If i use 4 mox (12 mana - 4 different colors 3 mana per color) it display a question (see the screenshoot below)
If i use 5 mox (3 mana for each color) many times works but not always.
5. If you select or not different combinations with left CTRL doesn't matter it doesn't work. After click ok on that box the card is blocked into the stack, you still can select other mana combinations with CTRL but it doesn't go over.
6. Until now i haven't tried with normal land.
I hope these informations will be usefull and enough detailed to understand the problem.
IF you want to take a look i post the code of the cards "Horae" and the modded mox iam using "Chrome Mox"
1. Until today i didn't know about the left CTRL key to select mana combinations, for this reason in certain situations i was not happy about automatic mana tap.
2. Inside these screenshoots you see exactly the status of the game after i tried to cast the spell. It is blocked into the stack and doesn't go over. If i press the CTRL key the the mana combinations and life point still changes.
3. I tried many time with different mana, sometime it works and it is cast, other times it is blocked into the stack. I am using only Mox to test the deck so no basic land, this mox is a modified version take from your Mod, it produce 3 colored mana instead of one.
4. If i use 1 mox (3 mana of one color) it works except for the red mana (if you use 3 red mana it display the question)
If i use 2 mox (6 mana - 2 different colors, 3 mana per color) it display a question (see the screenshoot below)
If i use 3 mox (9 mana - 3 different colors 3 mana per color) it display a question (see the screenshoot below)
If i use 4 mox (12 mana - 4 different colors 3 mana per color) it display a question (see the screenshoot below)
If i use 5 mox (3 mana for each color) many times works but not always.
5. If you select or not different combinations with left CTRL doesn't matter it doesn't work. After click ok on that box the card is blocked into the stack, you still can select other mana combinations with CTRL but it doesn't go over.
6. Until now i haven't tried with normal land.
I hope these informations will be usefull and enough detailed to understand the problem.
IF you want to take a look i post the code of the cards "Horae" and the modded mox iam using "Chrome Mox"
- HORAE | Open
- CHORME MOX | Open
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by thefiremind » 13 Oct 2013, 08:46
As far as I know, nobody ever ran into this problem when using Phyrexian mana, and it seems there's only one difference between your card and the official Magic cards with Phyrexian mana: your card has multiple colors of Phyrexian mana. I agree with RiiakShiNal, there must be a bug in the engine that makes it randomly hang when multiple colors of Phyrexian mana are on the same card. After all, this isn't something the developers would test, because there are no official cards with this characteristic.
I don't know what to suggest you... maybe you could use normal mana on the original cost and think about an interesting alternative cost to add? Or give those cards an all colorless original cost (you can still make them 5-colored by adding <COLOUR value="WUBRG" />, but be careful that it's sensitive to its position inside the XML, put it exactly where you find it on tokens), then give them an additional ability/effect if all colors of mana are spent to cast them? Those are just random ideas, but maybe they'll get you inspired.
I don't know what to suggest you... maybe you could use normal mana on the original cost and think about an interesting alternative cost to add? Or give those cards an all colorless original cost (you can still make them 5-colored by adding <COLOUR value="WUBRG" />, but be careful that it's sensitive to its position inside the XML, put it exactly where you find it on tokens), then give them an additional ability/effect if all colors of mana are spent to cast them? Those are just random ideas, but maybe they'll get you inspired.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 11:47
Thanks a lot my friend, i am glad to hear i am not crazy, anyway, i already changed the casting cost using multiple colors mana like (U/B U/B R/B R/B W/P W/P), by this way the cards still be able to be playable with most of colors deck, and using just one Phyrexian mana doesn't give any problem.
To say the truth the starting idea was a little bit different :
Horae should be a creature with 4 morphing states, but i found some problems to implement it so i made it as a creature who cast 4 different tokens.
When i worked on the original idea, i created 4 different XML, with different <FILENAME text="" />, and cardname (<CARDNAME text="Horae_A" />,<CARDNAME text="Horae_B" />,<CARDNAME text="Horae_C" />,<CARDNAME text="Horae_D" />.
Inside the Cards there was the ability to Cast next creature example : Horae_A used PutTokensOntoBattelfield(Horae_B).
The problem is that each of these cards should remove from game the previous card, to do it i used 2 different ways, adding EffectSource():Exile() inside the previous card after the resolution block where it cast the next token. the second way adding a cardname check into each cards and Exile() function(in a trigger block when it come into battlefield) example :Horae_B, Trigger come into battlefield, check cardname ="Horae_A" (both ways with Getcardname and also with filters) then Exile, and for some reason it doesn't work.
The minor problem was that using PutTokensOntoBattelfied change the card into a token and it loses his permanent state.
So i decided to separate The Main Horae with Seasons Horae to alternate. Do you think was possible to work on first idea or i have to finish the second one?
I also appreciated your suggestions, i will take it in consideration for new cards
To say the truth the starting idea was a little bit different :
Horae should be a creature with 4 morphing states, but i found some problems to implement it so i made it as a creature who cast 4 different tokens.
When i worked on the original idea, i created 4 different XML, with different <FILENAME text="" />, and cardname (<CARDNAME text="Horae_A" />,<CARDNAME text="Horae_B" />,<CARDNAME text="Horae_C" />,<CARDNAME text="Horae_D" />.
Inside the Cards there was the ability to Cast next creature example : Horae_A used PutTokensOntoBattelfield(Horae_B).
The problem is that each of these cards should remove from game the previous card, to do it i used 2 different ways, adding EffectSource():Exile() inside the previous card after the resolution block where it cast the next token. the second way adding a cardname check into each cards and Exile() function(in a trigger block when it come into battlefield) example :Horae_B, Trigger come into battlefield, check cardname ="Horae_A" (both ways with Getcardname and also with filters) then Exile, and for some reason it doesn't work.
The minor problem was that using PutTokensOntoBattelfied change the card into a token and it loses his permanent state.
So i decided to separate The Main Horae with Seasons Horae to alternate. Do you think was possible to work on first idea or i have to finish the second one?
I also appreciated your suggestions, i will take it in consideration for new cards
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 13 Oct 2013, 13:24
I haven't had a chance to run your test cases yet, but reading what you wanted originally, the original idea to have a creature with multiple states is indeed possible. This assumes that each state just has different stats/abilities/traits and not different types or super-types.
You make a hidden STATIC_ABILITY with linked_ability_group="1" that works in all zones (except ZONE_EXILE) and manages the states. This ability can also handle P/T changes, sub-type changes (if desired), colour changes, etc....
Then you have an ability that changes the state (you could have a different change state ability for each state so you could have different costs, text, etc...).
You make a hidden STATIC_ABILITY with linked_ability_group="1" that works in all zones (except ZONE_EXILE) and manages the states. This ability can also handle P/T changes, sub-type changes (if desired), colour changes, etc....
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<STATIC_ABILITY linked_ability_group="1" active_zone="ZONE_ANY">
<CONTINUOUS_ACTION layer="0">
if (EffectSource():GetZone() == ZONE_BATTLEFIELD) then
local nState = LinkedDC():Int_Get( 0 )
if (nState == 0) then
-- Grant abilities it should have in Initial state
elseif (nState == 1) then
-- Grant abilities it should have in second state
elseif (nState == 2) then
-- Grant abilities it should have in third state
else
-- Grant abilities it should have in last state
end
else
-- Abilities it should have while outside the battlefield (these don't actually have to function outside of the battlefield, they could just be there for their text).
end
</CONTINUOUS_ACTION>
</STATIC_ABILITY>
Then you have an ability that changes the state (you could have a different change state ability for each state so you could have different costs, text, etc...).
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<ACTIVATED_ABILITY linked_ability_group="1">
<LOCALISED_TEXT><![CDATA[{1}: Change to next state.]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
<COST type="Mana" mana_cost="{1}" />
<RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
local nCurrentState = LinkedDC():Int_Get( 0 )
if (nCurrentState < 3) then
-- Change to next state.
LinkedDC():Int_Inc( 0 )
else
-- Loop back around to first state.
LinkedDC():Int_Set( 0, 0 )
end
</RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTION>
</ACTIVATED_ABILITY>
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 14:17
Thanks as always Riiak, your support is really appreciated, also your code will help me in future, my programming skills are too rusted.
Anyway there is also another reason why i didn't use just one card, this reason is that i would also change the Card picture and name, and i think these values cannot be dinamically changed.
I will make some test and finally i will decide how to implement it, surely i will keep your code suggestion for other cards of this set, i am glad to receive your feedback, it helps me a lot to improve new ideas.
Anyway there is also another reason why i didn't use just one card, this reason is that i would also change the Card picture and name, and i think these values cannot be dinamically changed.
I will make some test and finally i will decide how to implement it, surely i will keep your code suggestion for other cards of this set, i am glad to receive your feedback, it helps me a lot to improve new ideas.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 13 Oct 2013, 14:42
Card picture and name can't be changed using a single card method, but considering DotP represents a card game, real cards can't change their pictures or names either.
Utimately, since we don't have access to the source code of the DotP game and can't make changes to the engine itself for some cards we have to decide what we can sacrifice to implement the card. Personally, I'm fine with sacrificing some things that are visual to get the abilities working and keep problems to a minimum.
Utimately, since we don't have access to the source code of the DotP game and can't make changes to the engine itself for some cards we have to decide what we can sacrifice to implement the card. Personally, I'm fine with sacrificing some things that are visual to get the abilities working and keep problems to a minimum.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 15:53
I perfectly understand your meaning, and you're right, for this reason i am implementing your code inside Horae and now i am testing it. This code will help me a lot because in this way i haven't to manage counters and other aspect of the phases, like summon sickness, countering etc..etc..
Just last two question :
1) When you said : "Then copy it for ZONE_EXILE to eliminate any P/T setting bugs and allow it to keep any settings it should have while outside of the battlefield." have i to repeat the code with ZONE_EXILE instead of ZONE_ANY or ZONE_BATTELFIELD? (I suppose you are referring to the second one, because the ability is already active to ANY ZONES)
2)When we grant an ability the text is added as Blue text. Normally the card text is resized until the minimum size to avoid the scroll bar. There is anything i can do to make the added Blue text to be resized to avoid the scroll bar?? Because it seems to be added in normal size also if the card have the possibility to resize it.
Just last two question :
1) When you said : "Then copy it for ZONE_EXILE to eliminate any P/T setting bugs and allow it to keep any settings it should have while outside of the battlefield." have i to repeat the code with ZONE_EXILE instead of ZONE_ANY or ZONE_BATTELFIELD? (I suppose you are referring to the second one, because the ability is already active to ANY ZONES)
2)When we grant an ability the text is added as Blue text. Normally the card text is resized until the minimum size to avoid the scroll bar. There is anything i can do to make the added Blue text to be resized to avoid the scroll bar?? Because it seems to be added in normal size also if the card have the possibility to resize it.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/12/2013 (48 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 13 Oct 2013, 22:30
ZONE_ANY covers all zones except ZONE_EXILE, so if you want the abilities that should show outside of the battlefield to show on the card in exile then you need to copy the STATIC_ABILITY for ZONE_EXILE. An example of where this bug can be found is in official cards that set the P/T of the creature to something based on what is in players' hands or on the battlefield like Drove of Elves, Dungrove Elder, Geist-Honored Monk, Heedless One, Krovikan Mist, Multani, Maro-Sorcerer, Nightmare, and Primalcrux. This bug was first pointed out by thefiremind when he was testing Duplicant. All those cards have a STATIC_ABILITY with active_zone="ZONE_ANY", but when exiled that ability doesn't run. If the ability is copied and the copy is set to run in ZONE_EXILE the bug is fixed (you can see this in the core fixes v1.11).NeoAnderson wrote:1) When you said : "Then copy it for ZONE_EXILE to eliminate any P/T setting bugs and allow it to keep any settings it should have while outside of the battlefield." have i to repeat the code with ZONE_EXILE instead of ZONE_ANY or ZONE_BATTELFIELD? (I suppose you are referring to the second one, because the ability is already active to ANY ZONES)
As far as I know the only way to avoid the scroll bar is to not add abilities beyond what could show on the card without a scroll bar. Scroll bars on cards is controlled by the game engine (which we have no control over). The game engine considers regular ability (abilities without resource_id) text as an intrinsic part of the card and since it is based on a card game all of that text should be visible on the card without a scroll bar. Text that is added to a card through GrantAbility() is considered extra text that is not normally part of the card and if enough of that text is added it would extend beyond what would normally be on that box for the card so to keep things readable with a potentially unlimited amount of text it just defaults to the scroll bar.NeoAnderson wrote:2)When we grant an ability the text is added as Blue text. Normally the card text is resized until the minimum size to avoid the scroll bar. There is anything i can do to make the added Blue text to be resized to avoid the scroll bar?? Because it seems to be added in normal size also if the card have the possibility to resize it.
This is another of those points where you have to choose which is more important; the way the text looks on the card or how the card functions. Granted it is possible to summon a token with all black text and exile the original card allowing for you to avoid the scrollbar, but is it worth the extra effort and code? The answer is up to you as you are the mod developer and there is no one right answer.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/14/2013 (49 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 13 Oct 2013, 23:39
As always thanks Riiak, i perfectly understand your explanation about the Core's bug. I already coded the card and i don't need to add some particular ability to be reported into exile zone, but it will help for future cards.
About my questions about the look, this is just because i have few knowledge of DOTP and programming, so i always try to make the better result, and i don't want that my gaps , bring me on the wrong way. Many times i try to find the answer by myself through searching on the forum or inside the other cards' code, but Your answers are more specific and detailed!
So for now thanks of all your time and kindness, and if you want to take a look to these cards to let me know what you think i would be really glad.
About my questions about the look, this is just because i have few knowledge of DOTP and programming, so i always try to make the better result, and i don't want that my gaps , bring me on the wrong way. Many times i try to find the answer by myself through searching on the forum or inside the other cards' code, but Your answers are more specific and detailed!
So for now thanks of all your time and kindness, and if you want to take a look to these cards to let me know what you think i would be really glad.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/15/2013 (51 cards)
by MysteryMindX » 16 Oct 2013, 16:17
Why after casting Poseidon it returns right back to my hand?
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