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Age of Dodekatheon - UPDATED 01/09/2014 DXT1 (183 cards)
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/26/2013 (68 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 26 Oct 2013, 15:28
We know that ZONE_ANY abilities don't work on cards that are in ZONE_EXILE, but this is the first I have heard of the abilities not working in the deck and hand. My guess would be that this is an engine bug and short of making an ability for each zone there is nothing we can do about this.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/26/2013 (68 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 26 Oct 2013, 15:39
This is a really bad news, i already thought the same solution, but this will make the card's code more complex because you have to repeat the code many times and the possibility to miss something will increase! Also the debug action will be more complex.
Anyway about the dynamic text is not a very important issue, is just a visual information missing, the problem is about the real abilities, as add a subtype, because in that case if an effect acts on certain types, and the card has not that ability, it will not be considered, this could be a big issue!.
I will try to duplicate the code for the others zones and let you know.
Thanks Riiak.
Anyway about the dynamic text is not a very important issue, is just a visual information missing, the problem is about the real abilities, as add a subtype, because in that case if an effect acts on certain types, and the card has not that ability, it will not be considered, this could be a big issue!.
I will try to duplicate the code for the others zones and let you know.
Thanks Riiak.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/26/2013 (68 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 26 Oct 2013, 16:29
Ok now i am officially confused!
I granted the ability for these zones : EXILE, HAND, GRAVEYARD, LIBRARY. The ability still not show always!!! Sometimes it appears sometimes not!
The ability is just a static ability only to add text! I also tried with an ability who add the land subtype!
To be more detailed i also found this behaviour. When you start the game first time, during the first match the ability 99,99% is not read in these zones, if you play the card then restart new matches 99% it reads the abilities also inside other zones! If you close MTG and launch it again the issue is repeated!
I granted the ability for these zones : EXILE, HAND, GRAVEYARD, LIBRARY. The ability still not show always!!! Sometimes it appears sometimes not!
The ability is just a static ability only to add text! I also tried with an ability who add the land subtype!
To be more detailed i also found this behaviour. When you start the game first time, during the first match the ability 99,99% is not read in these zones, if you play the card then restart new matches 99% it reads the abilities also inside other zones! If you close MTG and launch it again the issue is repeated!
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/26/2013 (68 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 26 Oct 2013, 17:03
Then it is highly likely an engine bug that we can't do anything about.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 10/31/2013 (84 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 30 Oct 2013, 23:58
I'm still trying to find new ideas to develope the cards of this set. Now i started to code the common and uncommon creatures.
The idea is to give an additional ability to these creatures when happen some events. The first color i am developing is Red.
Red creatures have BLOOD DROP
Blood drop rules : Whenever the creature with "blood drop", deals combat damage to an opponent while its additional ability is inactive, its additional ability become enabled. The additional ability remains enabled until it is used.
Probably each colour will receive a similar ability, activated by a different event, for example white colour will be activated by life gain, black colour by creature's death, green colour by creature's cast, blue colour by card's draw or discard..I am still thinking about it.
Any suggestion is really appreciated because is not so simple to think about any aspect of a new set (hystorical matching, colour matching, abilities matching, abilities creation, art matching, etc..etc.)
The idea is to give an additional ability to these creatures when happen some events. The first color i am developing is Red.
Red creatures have BLOOD DROP
Blood drop rules : Whenever the creature with "blood drop", deals combat damage to an opponent while its additional ability is inactive, its additional ability become enabled. The additional ability remains enabled until it is used.
Probably each colour will receive a similar ability, activated by a different event, for example white colour will be activated by life gain, black colour by creature's death, green colour by creature's cast, blue colour by card's draw or discard..I am still thinking about it.
Any suggestion is really appreciated because is not so simple to think about any aspect of a new set (hystorical matching, colour matching, abilities matching, abilities creation, art matching, etc..etc.)
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/01/2013 (88 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 02 Nov 2013, 22:49
A simple question to (RiiakShiNal, Firemind or someone who encountered this issue).
When use grantability with an activable ability, if the is text too much, you cannot activate the ability.
If the text cannot fit totally into a single screen of the card, you have the sidebar to scroll, but in this case the ability cannot be activated!
Did you also found this issue?
When use grantability with an activable ability, if the is text too much, you cannot activate the ability.
If the text cannot fit totally into a single screen of the card, you have the sidebar to scroll, but in this case the ability cannot be activated!
Did you also found this issue?
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/01/2013 (88 cards)
by thefiremind » 02 Nov 2013, 22:59
For granted abilities you usually need to scroll until the ability text is totally visible, so it makes sense that an ability can't be activated if its text cannot fit on the card. Try to shorten the text if you can.NeoAnderson wrote:When use grantability with an activable ability, if the is text too much, you cannot activate the ability.
If the text cannot fit totally into a single screen of the card, you have the sidebar to scroll, but in this case the ability cannot be activated!
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/01/2013 (88 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 02 Nov 2013, 23:29
Thanks Firemind,
I have followed a different idea, I found that if you attach the text of granted ability, with a commaspace="1" to a previous static text, also the granted text is resized. So i made a description of the additional ability attached to a previous paragraph, then i made a dinamyc granted text, "Use the Additional ability".
Was not possible to reduce the text because the ability effect need an explanaition.
I have followed a different idea, I found that if you attach the text of granted ability, with a commaspace="1" to a previous static text, also the granted text is resized. So i made a description of the additional ability attached to a previous paragraph, then i made a dinamyc granted text, "Use the Additional ability".
Was not possible to reduce the text because the ability effect need an explanaition.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/01/2013 (88 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 03 Nov 2013, 01:36
That depends on the way an ability is explained. If the ability itself is subject to some standardized rules for a keyword that need explaining then you can put the explanation for those rules in a "More Info" text screen. For example you defined a set rule for "Blood Drop" rather than explaining that key phrase in every card that uses that key phrase you can just add a standardized HELP block to each card with the key phrase. Once players become familiar with the rules for the phrase they generally won't need to refer to them.
As long as the ability text properly and accurately describes the ability extra information and examples can be put into the "More Info" screens as well. So this should help to keep ability texts relatively short and concise.
As long as the ability text properly and accurately describes the ability extra information and examples can be put into the "More Info" screens as well. So this should help to keep ability texts relatively short and concise.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/03/2013 (92 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 03 Nov 2013, 19:16
Thanks Riiak, i followed your suggestion and i also added Help Block, to help the user to become more familiar with these custom abilities.
I would make a question to you and Firemind, i have made the follow card :
Do you think is possible to code the sphinx dynamic ability as a function?
My idea is to make Guess ability as a function with some different parameters.
Should be Guess (Max_num, Positive_Effect, Negative_Effect, Range, Worst_Effect)
Max_num = The upper limit of the numerical choice, for example inside my card is 10 so you have to guess a number between 1 and 10.
Positive_Effect = is the effect to apply when you give the right answer.
Negative_Effect = is the effect to apply when the difference between your answer and the sphinx answer is inside the range. For example in this case, the card apply -x/-x where X can be 1 up to 3.
Range = is the range where you apply negative effect.
Worst_Effect = is the effect to apply when your answer is out of range.
Making a function will make easy to use this ability inside other cards without copy the codes and make many lines modifies.
I would make a question to you and Firemind, i have made the follow card :
- Sphinx of Naxos | Open
Do you think is possible to code the sphinx dynamic ability as a function?
My idea is to make Guess ability as a function with some different parameters.
Should be Guess (Max_num, Positive_Effect, Negative_Effect, Range, Worst_Effect)
Max_num = The upper limit of the numerical choice, for example inside my card is 10 so you have to guess a number between 1 and 10.
Positive_Effect = is the effect to apply when you give the right answer.
Negative_Effect = is the effect to apply when the difference between your answer and the sphinx answer is inside the range. For example in this case, the card apply -x/-x where X can be 1 up to 3.
Range = is the range where you apply negative effect.
Worst_Effect = is the effect to apply when your answer is out of range.
Making a function will make easy to use this ability inside other cards without copy the codes and make many lines modifies.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/03/2013 (92 cards)
by LyZARC74 » 03 Nov 2013, 19:55
I think it is a very interesting deck!It crashes sometimes!I dont know but i think its a land problem!Thank you !
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/03/2013 (92 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 03 Nov 2013, 20:32
Thanks LyXarc74, until now the deck is jus to test the cards, the set is not completed so is no sense to make themed deks. The decks will be made when the set will be completed. About the crash until now i haven't experencied this issue. If you can try to let me know which card give you this problem.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/03/2013 (92 cards)
by RiiakShiNal » 03 Nov 2013, 21:22
As a single function no it is not possible to do as it spans more than a single action (and requires more than a single action). Also there is no way to pass an effect into a function as there is no effect object, you could pass a resource_id and or a data chest for a delayed trigger or an ability to grant.
However, you can make use of a set of functions to make it easier to code. For example when I re-wrote Annihilator for the core fixes I had to make a set of 3 functions for it (one function for each action):
You could create a set of functions like this:
GetRandomGuessResult could then get the stored player (or could take Player as a parameter) to get the player's guess compare it to the stored random that was created in RandomGuessBetween() and give back a number for which result it should use. For example 0 could be "correct", 1 could be "incorrect, but in range" and 2 could be "all other cases". This returned result could then be acted upon (for actions that don't need to be repeated) or stored (for things like CONTINUOUS_ACTIONs that do get repeated. If you need to also get back the difference from the range you could store that in an EffectDC() register and make another function to get that. So you could have a GetGuessDifference() which would be called if the GetRandomGuessResult() is 1 and/or 2.
The effects would probably be easier to leave outside of functions unless they are highly repetitive and very similar as different effects have different restrictions. For example granting abilities should always be done on Layer 6, while variable P/T modifications are done on 7C, set P/T changes are done on 7B and are all CONTINUOUS_ACTIONs, effects like drawing, discarding, and/or destroying cards are done in RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTIONS, other effects are done using delayed triggers and so on.... The more differences the more special processing is required.
However, you can make use of a set of functions to make it easier to code. For example when I re-wrote Annihilator for the core fixes I had to make a set of 3 functions for it (one function for each action):
- RSN_Annihilator_PlayerChoosing()
- RSN_Annihilator_PermanentChoosing(nAmount)
- RSN_Annihilator_Sacrificing()
You could create a set of functions like this:
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RandomGuessBetween(Player, Min, Max)
GetRandomGuessResult(Range)
GetRandomGuessResult could then get the stored player (or could take Player as a parameter) to get the player's guess compare it to the stored random that was created in RandomGuessBetween() and give back a number for which result it should use. For example 0 could be "correct", 1 could be "incorrect, but in range" and 2 could be "all other cases". This returned result could then be acted upon (for actions that don't need to be repeated) or stored (for things like CONTINUOUS_ACTIONs that do get repeated. If you need to also get back the difference from the range you could store that in an EffectDC() register and make another function to get that. So you could have a GetGuessDifference() which would be called if the GetRandomGuessResult() is 1 and/or 2.
The effects would probably be easier to leave outside of functions unless they are highly repetitive and very similar as different effects have different restrictions. For example granting abilities should always be done on Layer 6, while variable P/T modifications are done on 7C, set P/T changes are done on 7B and are all CONTINUOUS_ACTIONs, effects like drawing, discarding, and/or destroying cards are done in RESOLUTION_TIME_ACTIONS, other effects are done using delayed triggers and so on.... The more differences the more special processing is required.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/03/2013 (92 cards)
by NeoAnderson » 03 Nov 2013, 22:28
Thanks for your opinions and explanations, i understand what you say, i still have to understand how to implement a function, i will try to take a look to your functions and also firemind's ones. Hope this will be enough to make it.
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Re: Age of Dodekatheon - NEW UPDATED 11/03/2013 (92 cards)
by Savage- » 04 Nov 2013, 22:08
I'm still playing the first release of your mod I was waiting for some special lands and you made them so I wanted to test out the deck with the new updates.
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