Bug hunters topic

[Aswan jaguar]

I added a form for us Moderators & Bughunters & experienced users with the update & DUEL preselected so that we don't have to write it each time, which isn't trivial for guys that can report around 100 bugs or more per month.
Of course it will be changed as soon as a new update or version is out.
The form is in the end of the original form at post:
READ THIS BEFORE YOU CREATE A NEW TOPIC!!!!

[stassy]

Make sense, especially when I noticed that gmzombie didn't know what PTT or gy would mean

[BAgate]

What would everyone think, in the interest of reducing clutter, of moving the '[Old confirmed] Bug Archive ', '[Not Solved] + [Unfixable] Bug Archive ' and '[Fixed] Bug Archive ' from the announcements section of the root folder to the archived reports folder? Not only would it make fewer things to scroll through, but it might avoid confusion for newbies.

[HarlequinCasts]

What would everyone think, in the interest of reducing clutter, of moving the '[Old confirmed] Bug Archive ', '[Not Solved] + [Unfixable] Bug Archive ' and '[Fixed] Bug Archive ' from the announcements section of the root folder to the archived reports folder? Not only would it make fewer things to scroll through, but it might avoid confusion for newbies.

[X] Strongly Agree

[stassy]

Sure, just need Korath approval though because he tried to dig a bit in those some time ago.

[BAgate]

Korath gave his ok, so I moved them (he just didn't want them deleted).

[stassy]

I took a peak at the summary of unfixable bugs and got a bit depressed...is there a brave hero here that can try to update a bit the 2 lists?

[Korath]

In order:

• Phyrexian Hydra - open, but I think we have independent threads duplicating it (probably named as Blightsteel Colossus)
• Chaos Orb - Avatar - status unknown
• Lorescale Coatl
• Phyrexian Crusader
• Chameleon Colossus
• Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle (in next patch)
• Scapeshift (possibly not until next patch; I hadn't tested it before)
• Fastbond - bad link; open
• Yawgmoth's Will + Evoke - bad link; status unknown
• Troll Ascetic
• Thrun, the Last Troll
• Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur,all hand modifying cards - open
• Oubliette - Golem Token - status unknown
• Gaea's Blessing - open
• Blaze of Glory - I rewrote Cockatrice since the last patch, tested it a bit with multiblocking, and all seemed well; but it'll need more extensive testing post-release
• Lifelink is cumulative old rules are applied
• Mortarpod - open
• Equipoise - Phasing's timining works a bit differently in Manalink, as in the old rules "Untap" and "Upkeep" was two different phases
• Guardian Beast - open
• Experiment Kraj doesn't copy mana activated abilities - status unknown
• Murderous Redcap - status unknown
• Indestructibility (Darksteel, etc...) - status unknown
• Vesuva (in next patch)
• Bonds of Quicksilver - status unknown
• Myr Reservoir - status unknown
• Mind Bend - getting better
• Exagerated power - open
• Artifact Lands
• Splinterfright - status unknown
• Vampire Nighthawk
• Necropotence (in next patch)
• Coat of Arms
• Aeon Chronicler
• Lands with sacrifice ability only work as sorcery:Ebon Stronghold,Ruins of Trokair,Svyelunite Temple,Dwarven Ruins,Havenwood Battleground,Ancient Spring,Geothermal Crevice,Irrigation Ditch,Sulfur Vent,Tinder Farm - I haven't looked at these specifically, but if any are still bugged, it's caused by "Flags: Act Interrupt" not being set in ct_all.csv
• Spirit Mantle - open, but we have (multiple) independent threads duplicating it
• Grand Architect - open
• Evoke - open
• Ajani's Pridemate - status unknown
• Juggernaut
• Blink - status unknown
• Venser, the Sojourner (in next patch)
• Riku of Two Reflections - open, but have an indepedent thread from today duplicating it ("Fork + Fireball")
• Drogskol Captain
• Breathstealer's Crypt - status unknown
• Myr Reservoir - open
• Liege of the Tangle - status unknown
• Zedruu the Greathearted
• Homeward Path
• Argentum Armor - status unknown, but if it's still broke, I know how to fix it now.
• Odric, Master Tactician - status unknown
• Dryad Militant - open
• Enslave
• Azorius Charm - status unknown
• Blood Artist - bad link; status unknown
• Jace's Erasure - bad link; status unknown
• Enchantments on Animated land - open
  
• Seht's Tiger - open
• Domri Rade - link doesn't go to Domri Rade
• Guile - open, but we have independent threads duplicating it
• Desecration Demon (in next patch)

[BAgate]

Since we're looking at the instruction set, the post above the topic icon one says that if a bug hunter finds a bug that was reported as fixed and is in the archive section they should mention it there. Is that what we still want, and if so, does anyone check for that?

Also, in the section on known issues we should mention that some bugs are complex and being worked on and bug hunters should check to see if it has been waitlisted (which covers most of these).

And Korath, in reference to your list (great job by the way), and off the top of my head:
1) any idea on if Desecration Demon has been updated in the csv yet?
2) Argentum Armor is still broken in that the destroy doesn't resolve until after combat
3) Liege of the Tangle - was fixed with the latest patch's animate lands improvements.
4) Odric, Master Tactician - an unfixable problem that has a sort of work around and multiple threads on it

Also, one new unfixable is the Hive Mind + Pact of Negation issue http://www.slightlymagic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=12764

[Aswan jaguar]

The Broken links in unsolved list mentioned by Korath have been restored.

[stassy]

1st list updated, also for bug appearing again after a fix, I think we could add that a non moderator can post a reply with proof that it's broken again a mod can move it back into root section, and if a mod post a reply and can move it, it could be moved immediately.

I don't know if the wait tag is a direct unfixable status, we had some nice surprises where unfixable bugs were fixed (the target issue for example), so before we have full confirmation the engine and workaround won't be able to solve an issue we should wait a bit.

Hopping onto the 2nd unfixable post now.

[stassy]

So far, in the working-partially-cards 2nd post, as of PTT, it's not an exhaustive list, posting it for history before deleting those lines:

- X Damages that should remove only one +1/+1 will remove X +1/+1 counters instead
viewtopic.php?f=86&t=4134&start=390#p105340

Does not see the new field from ML 3.0
viewtopic.php?f=86&t=4134&start=225#p88627

- * Abeyance : only the part regarding "spells" works. Abilities, as now, cannot be countered or made impossible to activate.

- * Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon : for some strange reasons, regeneration doesn't work. Probably an engine bug.

- * Phyrexian Metamorph --> Strange things happens if you clone cards like Mogg Fanatic and use its ability. Avoid doing it.
This is an hardcoded bug and probably cannot be solved. Phyrexian Metamorph also doesn't add the "Artifact" type to the permanent it's copying.
Seems to be fixed as of PTT, though the artifact frame override the original one.


- * Cards with Hexproof abilities are only protected from sorcery and instant type spells.

- * Blood Artist doesn't trigger when he dies
viewtopic.php?f=86&t=4134&start=345#p104069

- * Counter ability by an ability creature is not possible in ML as of now
viewtopic.php?f=86&t=4108&start=4620#p104338

-* Animate land ability from Skarrg Guildmage can't be coded for now
viewtopic.php?f=86&t=4134&start=435#p114353

[Korath]

Could you removed the fixed ones (struck out in my list above) as well?

Desecration Demon's in the csv. The ten sac-lands aren't, but I've added them to the to-edit list so we won't release without them. (On the defender branch, not master; but it'll be merged unless Gargaroz releases this weekend, which I don't think likely.)

Argentum Armor fixed (also on the defender branch).

Someone else want to take a first pass through the second post? A lot of those have been fixed as well. Never mind, I see you've started.

[stassy]

I already removed the fixed line of your in the 1st post, Korath, just wanted confirmation on the 2nd for Phyrexian Metamorph if it's intended or not.

I also didn't remove bug that will be fixed next patch yet, will make another short pass on them once next patch is up.

[Korath]

Ah, ok - I saw the first couple were still there and assumed they all were.

Cloning cards and sacrifice abilities are still open, I think. Phyrexian Metamorph 's type is definitely fully fixed in dev, though, and from your screenshot it looks like it made it into PtT; cards won't display with the artifact frame unless they're artifacts.

None of the type-changing effects (whether supertypes, like Leyline of Singularity, types, like Phyrexian Metamorph, or subtypes, like Adaptive Automaton) can change the displayed type line on fullcards. (Do we want them to? They could be generated on-the-fly without too much effort; but e.g. the displayed power/toughness are always those of the unupdated card, too, and I've always assumed that was correct behavior.)