New quest decks
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Re: New quest decks
by Nordos » 17 Dec 2014, 23:16
Fungus....
Key cards would be Pestilence, Rite of Passage, Thrashing Wumpus, Fungusaur, Fungus Sliver and maybe Withering Wisps?
Dunno if the deck would be very consistent, though.
Key cards would be Pestilence, Rite of Passage, Thrashing Wumpus, Fungusaur, Fungus Sliver and maybe Withering Wisps?
Dunno if the deck would be very consistent, though.
Re: New quest decks
by Sloth » 21 Dec 2014, 11:46
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Re: New quest decks
by tojammot » 26 Dec 2014, 09:58
Hmmm...
Containment Priest
Syndic of Tithes
Elite Vanguard
Araba Mothrider
Though you're still the final authority on the choices.
Containment Priest
Syndic of Tithes
Elite Vanguard
Araba Mothrider
Though you're still the final authority on the choices.
Re: New quest decks
by Nordos » 17 Jan 2015, 10:23
Yogi Bear looks kind of weak. Akk creatures are 2/2, it is relying for Beastmaster Ascension and Muraganda Petroglyphs to pump them, yet as soon as the opponent plays something like a vanilla 3/3, the AI won't attack as willingly. While the AI still only gets Vanilla 2/2, the opponent can draw strong 4er and 5er drops, shifting the game total in its favor.
Steely Resolve also badly interacts with Awaken the Bear, you splashed blue only for Call to Kindred (which may be a strong card, but mind, that it gets shot down fast and the most you can get out of it would be a 3er drop, Alpine Grizzly)
For me, that deck is easy ...
Mither Smith. It is an Enchantment deck, yet it seems to be missing some cards which have a good synergy IMO. The Opalesence is an interesting idea, but makes this deck far more vulnerable, too (The opponent just needs to play Mizzium Mortars once, and if the opponent did only control one or two Honor of the Pure/Glorious Anthem, half of your enchantments will be crushed.
Otherwise - while the enchantments all became creatures, they are still vanilla. The opponent can block them easily ...
While you would need to splash, Bedlam could be interesting.
Also, Sphere of Safety. While Ghostly Prison is annoying, especially since it hits the board quite early, Sphere of Safety would soon become such a great cost, that no creature would be able to attack the AI.
What about Celestial Ancient? It has evasion and grows quite fast. As soon as Opalescence hits the board, so will the other enchantments.
Similary, one could speak about a Sigil of the Empty Throne. Though I know that you rather want the enchantments itself to attack.
Additionally, have you tested what the AI searches its library for with Idyllic Tutor and Enlightened Tutor...? IIRC it would be the highest converted mana cost card, so it would be Opalescence, is that the reason you don't want to include other high cost enchantments...?
Steely Resolve also badly interacts with Awaken the Bear, you splashed blue only for Call to Kindred (which may be a strong card, but mind, that it gets shot down fast and the most you can get out of it would be a 3er drop, Alpine Grizzly)
For me, that deck is easy ...
Mither Smith. It is an Enchantment deck, yet it seems to be missing some cards which have a good synergy IMO. The Opalesence is an interesting idea, but makes this deck far more vulnerable, too (The opponent just needs to play Mizzium Mortars once, and if the opponent did only control one or two Honor of the Pure/Glorious Anthem, half of your enchantments will be crushed.
Otherwise - while the enchantments all became creatures, they are still vanilla. The opponent can block them easily ...
While you would need to splash, Bedlam could be interesting.
Also, Sphere of Safety. While Ghostly Prison is annoying, especially since it hits the board quite early, Sphere of Safety would soon become such a great cost, that no creature would be able to attack the AI.
What about Celestial Ancient? It has evasion and grows quite fast. As soon as Opalescence hits the board, so will the other enchantments.
Similary, one could speak about a Sigil of the Empty Throne. Though I know that you rather want the enchantments itself to attack.
Additionally, have you tested what the AI searches its library for with Idyllic Tutor and Enlightened Tutor...? IIRC it would be the highest converted mana cost card, so it would be Opalescence, is that the reason you don't want to include other high cost enchantments...?
Re: New quest decks
by tojammot » 17 Jan 2015, 15:33
No excuses, I'll try revising it and declaring it Easy.Nordos wrote:Yogi Bear looks kind of weak...
Yes, the deck originally had Light from Within and Sphere of Safety, maybe some other enchantments, but it would gonk up the search. I also added 5 moxens to ease the mana curve and the enchantress for card draw. Also, Replenish is pretty good, I recall seeing matches won by a timely cast and all graveyard enchantments are brought back. I don't think Bedlam would work well and I tried splashing U or G for other enchantments and it didn't work out. (Otherwise Web of Inertia and Propaganda)Mither Smith. It is an Enchantment deck, yet it seems to be missing some cards which have a good synergy IMO.
Celestial Ancient sounds nice but it would take a bit too long IMO. And it's not like people can easily get Mizzium Mortars.
Re: New quest decks
by Nordos » 17 Jan 2015, 16:20
True enough, but maybe test adding one Sphere of Safety?
As in - the AI will search for it at first, getting it out ASAP and undermining any possiblities of the opponent to attack. Afterwards, every other tutor will fetch Opalescence. Maybe worth a shot?
It is a shame that you can't customize what the AI should look for, otherwise True Conviction would prove extremly strong, too
As in - the AI will search for it at first, getting it out ASAP and undermining any possiblities of the opponent to attack. Afterwards, every other tutor will fetch Opalescence. Maybe worth a shot?
It is a shame that you can't customize what the AI should look for, otherwise True Conviction would prove extremly strong, too
Re: New quest decks
by Sloth » 20 Jan 2015, 14:19
I'm still wrapping up december. Two decks by tojammot.
The General Patton deck was played very poorly by our AI. I'm not sure i can get it working.
- He-Man 3 | Open
- Invisible Man 4 | Open
The General Patton deck was played very poorly by our AI. I'm not sure i can get it working.
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Re: New quest decks
by tojammot » 21 Jan 2015, 06:30
Well, that makes making KtK-themed decks much harder now.
As promised, here's my revision of Yogi Bear.
Bear Umbra, BEAR UMBRA!
EDIT: I think you should increase Champion of Lambholt, since its ability is very powerful.
As promised, here's my revision of Yogi Bear.
- Yogi Bear 1-2 | Open
Bear Umbra, BEAR UMBRA!
EDIT: I think you should increase Champion of Lambholt, since its ability is very powerful.
Re: New quest decks
by Sloth » 23 Jan 2015, 14:01
Ok, added He-Man 3 (+ 1 Champion of Lambholt - 1 Gaea's Anthem) and Invisible Man 4.tojammot wrote:EDIT: I think you should increase Champion of Lambholt, since its ability is very powerful.
Yogi Bear 2
- 1 Glimpse of Nature (won't be used effectively)
- 1 Gaea's Cradle (can cause the AI not reaching 2 mana in the first couple of turns)
- 1 Bow of Nylea (the activated ability won't be used effectively)
+ 1 Thornwood Falls
+ 1 Druid's Familiar
+ 1 Naturalize
- Yogi Bear 2 | Open
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Re: New quest decks
by tojammot » 27 Jan 2015, 01:13
Balancing 3-color decks is HARD.
I've yet to download the latest version to add cards that could supplement the decks since they're heavily KtK.
EDIT: I'll post modificationslater tomorrow, assuming Sloth and the others haven't done so already.
- General Patton 1 | Open
- General Patton 2 | Open
- General Patton 3 | Open
I've yet to download the latest version to add cards that could supplement the decks since they're heavily KtK.
EDIT: I'll post modifications
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Re: New quest decks
by Txorix » 27 Jan 2015, 15:07
Hello, I have been working on a standard hydra deck:
I have replaced Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Kiora´s Follower and Market Festival because the AI won´t use them correctly.
- Godzilla | Open
I have replaced Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Kiora´s Follower and Market Festival because the AI won´t use them correctly.
Re: New quest decks
by tojammot » 28 Jan 2015, 10:38
Edits applied to the General Patton decks.
From so much fine-tuning, I botched the Hard one. It had a fine balance of haste creatures, small removal, and enchantments like Raid Bombardment and Path of Bravery. Then I ruined it with some experimentation. There's also an alternate version with haste flyers but General Patton is a tank commander, not a flyboy.
I'm considering a medium one with even smaller haste creatures, but it might overlap with Vanellope.
Seriously, how do you guys arrange your cards? Also,requesting the He-Man portrait to be the meme one. I make too many tribal decks.
From so much fine-tuning, I botched the Hard one. It had a fine balance of haste creatures, small removal, and enchantments like Raid Bombardment and Path of Bravery. Then I ruined it with some experimentation. There's also an alternate version with haste flyers but General Patton is a tank commander, not a flyboy.
I'm considering a medium one with even smaller haste creatures, but it might overlap with Vanellope.
- Dracula | Open
- Skeletor | Open
Seriously, how do you guys arrange your cards? Also,requesting the He-Man portrait to be the meme one. I make too many tribal decks.
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Re: New quest decks
by timmermac » 28 Jan 2015, 21:55
What does that mean, exactly?tojammot wrote:Edits applied to the General Patton decks.
From so much fine-tuning, I botched the Hard one. It had a fine balance of haste creatures, small removal, and enchantments like Raid Bombardment and Path of Bravery. Then I ruined it with some experimentation. There's also an alternate version with haste flyers but General Patton is a tank commander, not a flyboy.
I'm considering a medium one with even smaller haste creatures, but it might overlap with Vanellope.
- Dracula | Open
- Skeletor | Open
Seriously, how do you guys arrange your cards? Also,requesting the He-Man portrait to be the HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA one. I make too many tribal decks.
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