Quest decks revamp
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Chris H. » 15 May 2011, 16:50
`Sloth wrote:Looks medium to me. I really feel like adding Uktabi Kong. Maybe we can have the reasonable Un-Cards as AI only cards (with no rarity or set info attached)?
Uktabi Kong or something similar would be awesome, but I doubt that everyone would want to see the Un-Cards added to forge.

I will add this deck as Tarzan 2 and I will give it a good tone down and get back with a tier 1 variant.
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Chris H. » 15 May 2011, 21:55
OK, I weakened the new Tarzan 2 deck and here is a possible Tarzan 1 deck. There are about 4 less apes and there are a number of one shot type spells.
The deck looks somewhat unfocused but it still is for the most part an ape tribal deck.
The deck looks somewhat unfocused but it still is for the most part an ape tribal deck.
- Tarzan 1 | Open
- Tarzan 1
[general]
constructed
[main]
2 Kird Ape
2 Tree Monkey
2 Barbary Apes
2 Zodiac Monkey
1 Simian Grunts
1 Uktabi Orangutan
1 Gorilla Pack
1 Raging Gorilla
1 Gorilla Warrior
3 Ravenous Baboons
1 Gorilla Chieftain
3 Silverback Ape
2 Ancient Silverback
7 Forest
7 Mountain
2 Taiga
2 Rootbound Crag
1 Treetop Village
1 Skarrg, the Rage Pits
2 Copperline Gorge
2 Stomping Ground
2 Earthbind
2 Giant Growth
1 Kitesail
1 Elven Lyre
1 Guerrilla Tactics
1 Wallop
1 Path of Anger's Flame
1 Wing Snare
1 Violent Outburst
1 Living Armor
1 Pattern of Rebirth
1 Claws of Wirewood
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Sloth » 16 May 2011, 07:47
Looks fair. It's no pushover though.Chris H. wrote:OK, I weakened the new Tarzan 2 deck and here is a possible Tarzan 1 deck. There are about 4 less apes and there are a number of one shot type spells.
The deck looks somewhat unfocused but it still is for the most part an ape tribal deck.
- Tarzan 1 | Open
- Tarzan 1
[general]
constructed
[main]
2 Kird Ape
2 Tree Monkey
2 Barbary Apes
2 Zodiac Monkey
1 Simian Grunts
1 Uktabi Orangutan
1 Gorilla Pack
1 Raging Gorilla
1 Gorilla Warrior
3 Ravenous Baboons
1 Gorilla Chieftain
3 Silverback Ape
2 Ancient Silverback
7 Forest
7 Mountain
2 Taiga
2 Rootbound Crag
1 Treetop Village
1 Skarrg, the Rage Pits
2 Copperline Gorge
2 Stomping Ground
2 Earthbind
2 Giant Growth
1 Kitesail
1 Elven Lyre
1 Guerrilla Tactics
1 Wallop
1 Path of Anger's Flame
1 Wing Snare
1 Violent Outburst
1 Living Armor
1 Pattern of Rebirth
1 Claws of Wirewood
[sideboard]
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Sloth » 16 May 2011, 08:40
Another deck I want to change is Han Solo 3 (WG enchantments deck with Sigil of the Empty Throne) which has the same theme as Endora 3 but is less focused. My proposal is to make it an WU Enchanted Evening deck. Any objections or suggestions?
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Chris H. » 16 May 2011, 10:52
`Sloth wrote:Another deck I want to change is Han Solo 3 (WG enchantments deck with Sigil of the Empty Throne) which has the same theme as Endora 3 but is less focused. My proposal is to make it an WU Enchanted Evening deck. Any objections or suggestions?
I think that Gando made one of those decks and I made the other. Back in those days we did not have a lot of cards to choose from.
Here is a list of cards to consider for the WU Enchanted Evening deck:
- possible candidates | Open
- Abolish
Academy Rector
Akroma's Vengeance
Allay
Altar's Light
Annul
Arenson's Aura
Argivian Find
Aura Blast
Aura Extraction
Aura Flux
Aura Fracture
Aura of Silence
Auramancer
Auratog
Austere Command
Aven Cloudchaser
Azorius First-Wing
Banishment Decree
Bubbling Beebles
Cantivore
Capashen Unicorn
Celestial Ancient
Charmed Griffin
Cleanfall
Clear
Cloudchaser Eagle
Cloudchaser Kestrel
Crystal Chimes
Daru Sanctifier
Dawning Purist
Demystify
Devout Witness
Disempower
Disenchant
Dispeller's Capsule
Elf Replica
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Enchanted Evening
Enlightened Tutor
Erase
Ethersworn Adjudicator
Faith Healer
Feedback
Fountain Watch
Frantic Purification
Greater Auramancy
Halcyon Glaze
Hanna, Ship's Navigator
Hoodwink
Idyllic Tutor
Illumination
Iona's Judgment
Kami of Ancient Law
Kithkin Spellduster
Kor Sanctifiers
Leonin Relic-Warder
Lost Auramancers
Magus of the Disk
Mana Matrix
Mesa Enchantress
Monk Idealist
Monk Realist
Nevinyrral's Disk
Nikko-Onna
Nova Cleric
Opal Acrolith
Opal Archangel
Opal Caryatid
Opal Champion
Opal Gargoyle
Opal Guardian
Peace and Quiet
Presence of the Master
Purify
Quiet Purity
Ray of Distortion
Ray of Revelation
Reduce to Dreams
Reliquary Monk
Remove Enchantments
Revoke Existence
Ronom Unicorn
Saprazzan Bailiff
Scrapheap
Seal of Cleansing
Serene Offering
Serenity
Serra's Liturgy
Serra's Sanctum
Show and Tell
Sigil of the Empty Throne
Skull of Orm
Solemn Offering
Stern Proctor
Sylvok Replica
Tempest of Light
Terashi's Grasp
Testament of Faith
Tethered Griffin
Tolarian Emissary
Tragic Poet
Veil of Birds
Veiled Apparition
Vigilant Martyr
War Priest of Thune
Wipe Clean
Wirecat
Wispmare
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Corwin72 » 16 May 2011, 15:36
Hey, Remember when we added Soulless One to Buffy 2?
Soulless One is not in forge. I knew that there was a reason that I did not include it the first time.
That may be a hard one to add because it counts both Zombies in play and in the graveyard.
If it can not be added should that be replaced with Grave Defiler?
Soulless One is not in forge. I knew that there was a reason that I did not include it the first time.
That may be a hard one to add because it counts both Zombies in play and in the graveyard.
If it can not be added should that be replaced with Grave Defiler?
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Sloth » 16 May 2011, 16:01
Finished (and your list was quite helpful).Chris H. wrote:`Sloth wrote:Another deck I want to change is Han Solo 3 (WG enchantments deck with Sigil of the Empty Throne) which has the same theme as Endora 3 but is less focused. My proposal is to make it an WU Enchanted Evening deck. Any objections or suggestions?
I think that Gando made one of those decks and I made the other. Back in those days we did not have a lot of cards to choose from.
Here is a list of cards to consider for the WU Enchanted Evening deck:
- possible candidates | Open
- Abolish
Academy Rector
Akroma's Vengeance
Allay
Altar's Light
Annul
Arenson's Aura
Argivian Find
Aura Blast
Aura Extraction
Aura Flux
Aura Fracture
Aura of Silence
Auramancer
Auratog
Austere Command
Aven Cloudchaser
Azorius First-Wing
Banishment Decree
Bubbling Beebles
Cantivore
Capashen Unicorn
Celestial Ancient
Charmed Griffin
Cleanfall
Clear
Cloudchaser Eagle
Cloudchaser Kestrel
Crystal Chimes
Daru Sanctifier
Dawning Purist
Demystify
Devout Witness
Disempower
Disenchant
Dispeller's Capsule
Elf Replica
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Enchanted Evening
Enlightened Tutor
Erase
Ethersworn Adjudicator
Faith Healer
Feedback
Fountain Watch
Frantic Purification
Greater Auramancy
Halcyon Glaze
Hanna, Ship's Navigator
Hoodwink
Idyllic Tutor
Illumination
Iona's Judgment
Kami of Ancient Law
Kithkin Spellduster
Kor Sanctifiers
Leonin Relic-Warder
Lost Auramancers
Magus of the Disk
Mana Matrix
Mesa Enchantress
Monk Idealist
Monk Realist
Nevinyrral's Disk
Nikko-Onna
Nova Cleric
Opal Acrolith
Opal Archangel
Opal Caryatid
Opal Champion
Opal Gargoyle
Opal Guardian
Peace and Quiet
Presence of the Master
Purify
Quiet Purity
Ray of Distortion
Ray of Revelation
Reduce to Dreams
Reliquary Monk
Remove Enchantments
Revoke Existence
Ronom Unicorn
Saprazzan Bailiff
Scrapheap
Seal of Cleansing
Serene Offering
Serenity
Serra's Liturgy
Serra's Sanctum
Show and Tell
Sigil of the Empty Throne
Skull of Orm
Solemn Offering
Stern Proctor
Sylvok Replica
Tempest of Light
Terashi's Grasp
Testament of Faith
Tethered Griffin
Tolarian Emissary
Tragic Poet
Veil of Birds
Veiled Apparition
Vigilant Martyr
War Priest of Thune
Wipe Clean
Wirecat
Wispmare
Who would suggest a card that is not in forge?Corwin72 wrote:Hey, Remember when we added Soulless One to Buffy 2?
Soulless One is not in forge. I knew that there was a reason that I did not include it the first time.
That may be a hard one to add because it counts both Zombies in play and in the graveyard.
If it can not be added should that be replaced with Grave Defiler?

I will fix it.
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Sloth » 16 May 2011, 16:44
James Bond 1-3 could have a more focused Sliver theme, now that we have almost all of them. Anyone willing to update them?
I will try to update King Edward (Elementals).
I will try to update King Edward (Elementals).
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by timmermac » 16 May 2011, 18:22
I'll take a crack at it... I love Slivers. I've got an idea that doesn't include a huge amount of cards.Sloth wrote:James Bond 1-3 could have a more focused Sliver theme, now that we have almost all of them. Anyone willing to update them?
I will try to update King Edward (Elementals).
Edit: The trick is keeping it at 60 cards... I have an easy version, but the trick is figuring out what to substitute in and out for medium and hard versions. I know Sliver Legion will be involved in hard. Shadow Sliver and Shifting Sliver made it into medium and hard
- James Bond Easy attempt 1 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondEasyR1
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
4 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Clot Sliver|TMP
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
4 Sinew Sliver|PLC
4 Winged Sliver|TMP
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
4 Savage Lands|ALA
4 Talon Sliver|TMP
4 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
[sideboard]
- James Bond Medium attempt 1 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondMediumR1
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Shifting Sliver|LGN
4 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
4 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Clot Sliver|TMP
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
4 Sinew Sliver|PLC
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
4 Savage Lands|ALA
4 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
4 Shadow Sliver|TSP
[sideboard]
- James Bond Hard attempt 1 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondHardR1
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Sliver Legion|FUT
1 Mox Pearl|2ED
1 Mox Emerald|2ED
4 Shifting Sliver|LGN
3 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
3 Seaside Citadel|ALA
3 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
3 Clot Sliver|TMP
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
3 Fury Sliver|TSP
3 Horned Sliver|TMP
3 Sinew Sliver|PLC
1 Mox Sapphire|2ED
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
3 Savage Lands|ALA
1 Mox Ruby|2ED
1 Mox Jet|2ED
3 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
4 Shadow Sliver|TSP
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Sloth » 16 May 2011, 18:46
Since Cyclops covers all colors. Try to pick only two or three.timmermac wrote:I'll take a crack at it... I love Slivers. I've got an idea that doesn't include a huge amount of cards.Sloth wrote:James Bond 1-3 could have a more focused Sliver theme, now that we have almost all of them. Anyone willing to update them?
I will try to update King Edward (Elementals).
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by timmermac » 16 May 2011, 19:04
OK.... Here are the latest attempts.Sloth wrote:Since Cyclops covers all colors. Try to pick only two or three.timmermac wrote:I'll take a crack at it... I love Slivers. I've got an idea that doesn't include a huge amount of cards.Sloth wrote:James Bond 1-3 could have a more focused Sliver theme, now that we have almost all of them. Anyone willing to update them?
I will try to update King Edward (Elementals).
- James Bond Easy attempt 2 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondEasyR1
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
4 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Spined Sliver|TMP
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
4 Sinew Sliver|PLC
4 Winged Sliver|TMP
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
4 Savage Lands|ALA
4 Talon Sliver|TMP
4 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
[sideboard]
- James Bond Medium attempt 2 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondMediumR2
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Shifting Sliver|LGN
4 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
4 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Might Sliver|TSP
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
4 Winged Sliver|TMP
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
4 Savage Lands|ALA
4 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
4 Shadow Sliver|TSP
[sideboard]
- James Bond Hard attempt 4 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondHardR4
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Sliver Legion|FUT
1 Mox Pearl|2ED
1 Mox Emerald|2ED
4 Shifting Sliver|LGN
3 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
3 Seaside Citadel|ALA
3 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Essence Sliver|TSB
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
1 Mox Sapphire|2ED
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
3 Savage Lands|ALA
1 Mox Ruby|2ED
1 Mox Jet|2ED
3 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
4 Shadow Sliver|TSP
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Sloth » 16 May 2011, 19:38
My plan was to stick to the colors of James Bond 1-3 to have a tight mana base. At least not all colors should be used to distinguish it from Cyclops 2 and 3.timmermac wrote:OK.... Here are the latest attempts.
- James Bond Easy attempt 2 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondEasyR1
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
4 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Spined Sliver|TMP
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
4 Sinew Sliver|PLC
4 Winged Sliver|TMP
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
4 Savage Lands|ALA
4 Talon Sliver|TMP
4 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
[sideboard]
- James Bond Medium attempt 2 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondMediumR2
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Shifting Sliver|LGN
4 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
4 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Might Sliver|TSP
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
4 Winged Sliver|TMP
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
4 Savage Lands|ALA
4 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
4 Shadow Sliver|TSP
[sideboard]
- James Bond Hard attempt 4 | Open
- [metadata]
Name=JamesBondHardR4
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Sliver Legion|FUT
1 Mox Pearl|2ED
1 Mox Emerald|2ED
4 Shifting Sliver|LGN
3 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Muscle Sliver|TMP
3 Seaside Citadel|ALA
3 Jungle Shrine|ALA
4 Heart Sliver|TMP
4 Essence Sliver|TSB
4 Gemhide Sliver|TSP
4 Fury Sliver|TSP
4 Horned Sliver|TMP
1 Mox Sapphire|2ED
4 Darksteel Ingot|DST
3 Savage Lands|ALA
1 Mox Ruby|2ED
1 Mox Jet|2ED
3 Crumbling Necropolis|ALA
4 Shadow Sliver|TSP
[sideboard]
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by timmermac » 16 May 2011, 20:53
D'oh... I've been trying to keep it to three colors, but the Essence Sliver kind of snuck in. I wanted the Legion in the Hard version as a bomb. I was thinking RUG, mainly for Heart Sliver, though I could be persuaded to change it to WUG. I'm thinking of the following changes:
Easy:
Mnemonic Sliver for Heart Sliver
Victual Sliver for Spined Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver
Plated Sliver for Darksteel Ingot
Medium:
Sinew Sliver for Heart Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver
Synchronus Sliver for Darksteel Ingot
Hard:
Sinew Sliver for Heart Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver.
Easy & Medium
Tundra for Arcane Sanctum
Savannah for Jungle Shrine
Hallowed Fountain for Crumbling Necropolis
Temple Garden for Savage Lands
Easy:
Mnemonic Sliver for Heart Sliver
Victual Sliver for Spined Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver
Plated Sliver for Darksteel Ingot
Medium:
Sinew Sliver for Heart Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver
Synchronus Sliver for Darksteel Ingot
Hard:
Sinew Sliver for Heart Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver.
Easy & Medium
Tundra for Arcane Sanctum
Savannah for Jungle Shrine
Hallowed Fountain for Crumbling Necropolis
Temple Garden for Savage Lands
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Sloth » 17 May 2011, 05:28
I would say WUG (or WRG) could be more powerful, because multiple copies of Sinew Sliver, Plated Sliver, Sidewinder Sliver and Muscle Sliver are not redundant.timmermac wrote:D'oh... I've been trying to keep it to three colors, but the Essence Sliver kind of snuck in. I wanted the Legion in the Hard version as a bomb. I was thinking RUG, mainly for Heart Sliver, though I could be persuaded to change it to WUG. I'm thinking of the following changes:
Easy:
Mnemonic Sliver for Heart Sliver
Victual Sliver for Spined Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver
Plated Sliver for Darksteel Ingot
Medium:
Sinew Sliver for Heart Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver
Synchronus Sliver for Darksteel Ingot
Hard:
Sinew Sliver for Heart Sliver
Talon Sliver for Fury Sliver.
Easy & Medium
Tundra for Arcane Sanctum
Savannah for Jungle Shrine
Hallowed Fountain for Crumbling Necropolis
Temple Garden for Savage Lands
- Try to reduce the number of copies of slivers without stacking abilities.
- Shadow Sliver is not good enough in the hands of the AI for a hard deck.
- A Fetch/Dual landbase would make the hard deck faster and more consistent.
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Re: Quest decks revamp
by Corwin72 » 17 May 2011, 12:27
I was playing against Cap last night and his mana was bad every time. I am going to update his manabase to include some duals for more consistency.
- | Open
- [metadata]
Name=Captain America 2
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
1 Island|2ED
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
3 Jhessian Infiltrator|ALA
1 Swords to Plowshares|4ED
1 Hindering Light|ALA
1 Rafiq of the Many|ALA
1 Plains|4ED
2 Hallowed Fountain|DIS
2 Tundra|3ED
1 Island|LRW
1 Forest|2ED
3 Oust|ROE
2 Savannah|3ED
2 Akrasan Squire|ALA
1 Plains|POR
1 Arcane Sanctum|ALA
4 Sigil Blessing|ALA
3 Knight of the Skyward Eye|ALA
1 Plains|MBS
1 Plains|ALA
2 Rhox War Monk|ALA
1 Battlegrace Angel|ALA
2 Sigiled Paladin|ALA
4 Bant Panorama|ALA
1 Swords to Plowshares|LEA
3 Deft Duelist|ALA
1 Excommunicate|M11
2 Excommunicate|M10
1 Excommunicate|ALA
4 Steward of Valeron|ALA
1 Forest|4ED
2 Ranger of Eos|ALA
[sideboard]
- | Open
- [metadata]
Name=Captain America 3
Deck Type=constructed
[main]
4 Seaside Citadel|ALA
2 Dueling Grounds|INV
1 Triclopean Sight|LRW
3 Rafiq of the Many|ALA
3 Tropical Island|3ED
1 Swords to Plowshares|LEB
1 Island|9ED
1 Forest|USG
1 Plains|ICE
1 Tundra|3ED
3 Sigil of the Nayan Gods|ARB
2 Qasali Pridemage|ARB
4 Knotvine Paladin|ARB
1 Terramorphic Expanse|TSP
2 Sovereigns of Lost Alara|ARB
3 Savannah|3ED
1 Swords to Plowshares|ICE
4 Grizzled Leotau|ARB
2 Terramorphic Expanse|M11
1 Forest|S99
1 Epic Proportions|LRW
1 Plains|MRD
1 Terramorphic Expanse|10E
1 Forest|10E
1 Swords to Plowshares|2ED
4 Stoic Angel|ALA
4 Noble Hierarch|CFX
1 Battlegrace Angel|ALA
1 Swords to Plowshares|LEA
3 Finest Hour|ARB
1 Plains|LEB
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