Forge Beta: 06-24-2011 ver 1.0.14 SVN rev 10003

[Rob Cashwalker]

No big rush...

Speaking of rankings, some of the http stuff I had to work out will be used later for the player statistics.

Let me give Braids some more time. Braids will see this message and will let us know that this work is finished.

Keep in mind that the change log lists changes for both the main branch and the minmax branch. The changes being checked in are on that branch.

[Chris H.]

I synced my local copy up to the then head rev 10114 and built through Eclipse and ran forge. Forge is not stable enough for a beta release at this time.

The lazy CardFactory work is not yet finished. In game the card detail panel looks good but inside of the deck editor, well this portion still needs some work.

I played a portion of a game using Generate Deck using 2-Color Deck (original) for both players. Both players only received colorless cards in addition to the lands. As they say, it is a work in progress.

Nonetheless, I used my Maven command which builds a snapshot with local archives but does not upload the archives to google cardforge. I get a build success in the terminal window. I'm looking at the forge-1.0.15-SNAPSHOT.tar.bz2 and it is only 9.7 MB in size. I uncompressed the archive and the forge.exe file is only 172 KB in size.

Good job Dave, thank you.

[Braids]

Braids will see this message and will let us know that this work is finished.

*smirk* indeed.

Braids is doing a major merge starting at rev 10108. I think that I should wait until this merge is finished as there is a note that "Still need to fix compile" . . . Let me give Braids some more time.

actually, that's a non-issue. that's a merge away from the trunk. r10108 is off in its own little world, a broken branch called braids-minimax.

REDACTED: however, before the next beta, i would like to put a progress bar on ReadCard for those plentiful instances when forge loads all cards into memory. otherwise, i think we'll get numerous complaints like the one at http://www.slightlymagic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=3721&p=63480#p63459

Sometime this evening the rate of merges will slow down and I will be able to build and upload of the beta using Dave's fixed Maven script.

REDACTED: can you wait? that, or make the beta at r10094. or take r10095 out of the beta.
REDACTED: i'll post as soon as the dialog box is done.

Edit 1: redacted unimportant stuff because i broke forge.

[Braids]

I synced my local copy up to the then head rev 10114 and built through Eclipse and ran forge. Forge is not stable enough for a beta release at this time. The lazy CardFactory work is not yet finished.

In game the card detail panel looks good but inside of the deck editor, well this portion still needs some work.

no more 1am commits for me.

I played a portion of a game using Generate Deck using 2-Color Deck (original) for both players. Both players only received colorless cards in addition to the lands. As they say, it is a work in progress.

now, that's just bizarre.

i'm going to fix and test the Blightning out of it.

meanwhile in earlier posts:

Having the basic hinting system helps, adding a min-max system can improve things.

sorry, these are still nowhere near the main line.

Keep in mind that the change log lists changes for both the main branch and the minmax branch. The changes being checked in are on that branch.

you were right on the money, rob.

Edit 1: i try to make sure in commit comments that i make it crystal clear in which direction the merge is going. for a while, merges will be going away from the trunk. googlecode's servers can't handle lateral branch merges due to the size of res/cardsfolder, so i have to merge in fragments manually. when i need to merge in the other direction, i assure you, there will be fanfare of me tooting my own horn.

[Chris H.]

I see that with all of the work and issues being discussed that I completely forgot about the new branch.

We can wait awhile for another beta release. Rob and I were anxious to test out Dave's Maven script fix. Turns out I was able to test it locally.

Rob also wants to watch as some draft mode card rankings/ratings start to flow into cardforge.org. These results should be helpful in improving the AI for draft and sealed. These results may also help to improve the AI in other areas.

[Rob Cashwalker]

Braids, use the progress bar gui I just added.

Chris, I did test draft last night, and I fixed the http code, which caused a null crash due to my wireless being disabled. (was at the laundromat with no WiFi)

I'm not so sure the lazy CardFactory is ready for prime time yet. While the start up time was reduced, the time to begin a draft took forever. I need to look into the change Braids suggested in there about using getCards.... Once the cardinfo was cached, subsequent runs of the game following debugging efforts were never a problem.

[Braids]

I'm not so sure the lazy CardFactory is ready for prime time yet. While the start up time was reduced, the time to begin a draft took forever. I need to look into the change Braids suggested in there about using getCards.... Once the cardinfo was cached, subsequent runs of the game following debugging efforts were never a problem.

i understand. i'm undoing the commits right now using svn merge -c <negativeNumber>

Braids, use the progress bar gui I just added.

that will have to wait until someone resurrects the lazy CardFactory and ReadCard. i'll add it as a note to the rev so i don't forget.

unit tests will eventually need the option to defer loading all the cards at startup. otherwise, it will take over a minute just to bootstrap a test suite. perhaps this will be a parameter passed to CardFactory's constructor at a future time.

[Rob Cashwalker]

Braids, don't give up on it....

We're used to having the delay at startup... it's something we can count on... All programs tend to have start times that may take a while. There are ways to reduce the load time without necessarily having a lazy CardFactory. If you use the cardsfolder.zip option, then it should be a bit faster, as it's all memory operations... or copy cardsfolder to a ram disk. (linux instantiates /dev/shm with half the RAM every boot)

After startup the only major delay is loading the main deck editor, only part of which is actually loading the cards, it goes through a few sorting routines where I couldn't insert the progress bar update.

[Braids]

Rob, my response is at http://www.slightlymagic.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=4904&p=63546#p63546

[jhamma66]

The download link appears to be broken, fyi. I haven't been able to grab this latest version yet. I'm really looking forward to it - been having two interesting bugs with the previous version (6/12)...

Myr Propagator has been creating some copies of itself that are just 1/1 tokens with the name but no card picture and no abilities. Also, some cards just sit in my hand and can't be cast (nothing happens when I click on them), Copy Artifact, Deathbringer Liege and some others...

[Chris H.]

The download link appears to be broken, fyi. I haven't been able to grab this latest version yet. I'm really looking forward to it - been having two interesting bugs with the previous version (6/12)...

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I just now was able to download both of the forge archives. Can you try again?

[tchiseen]

The download link appears to be broken, fyi. I haven't been able to grab this latest version yet. I'm really looking forward to it - been having two interesting bugs with the previous version (6/12)...

Myr Propagator has been creating some copies of itself that are just 1/1 tokens with the name but no card picture and no abilities. Also, some cards just sit in my hand and can't be cast (nothing happens when I click on them), Copy Artifact, Deathbringer Liege and some others...

I have the problem in quest mode too; cards like Clone, Phyrexian Metamorph, Clone Artifact don't work for me. I have a theory why this is, too.

They don't work if I draw them in my opening hand. This might be because these cards require legal targets on the battlefield to copy, and when the game starts, there may not be one, so the requirements aren't met, and this persists for the rest of the game?

Also, when hit with a discard spell, if I click on Clone or what have you, it doesn't discard it from my hand but the spell will resolve as though I had.
I lost a game because I had Phyrexian Metamorph in hand and my opponent Elvish Piper'd in a Progenitus, but I couldn't cast the Phyrexian metamorph due to the bug. That's beats.

[jhamma66]

Ah, downloaded without a hitch - thanks!

[T-Rez]

When playing a sealed match I have noticed that sometimes the AI starts out with 7 cards in hand and only 22 in it's deck. It will not play any cards at all when this happens.

At other times it will start out with 7 cards in hand and only 31 in it's deck for a total of 38 instead of 40. In this case, the AI will play with no problems.

I did a search in the issues section on google code and did not find anything like it.

This issue makes me curious about when the AI creates it's deck.

[Rob Cashwalker]

What format of sealed were you using? Which blocks/sets?