Card Development Questions

[Sloth]

Bah. Jester's Cap used to work.

If I had a nickel for every time I've said that about a card!

That was my fault. I accidently changed the default chooser to Targeted when fixing Fertilid.

[Starcrash]

Script for Teleport.

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Name:Teleport
ManaCost:U U U
Types:Instant
Text:no text
A:SP$ Pump | Cost$ U U U | ActivationPhases$ Declare Attackers - Play Instants and Abilities | ValidTgts$ Creature | TgtPrompt$ Select target creature | KW$ Unblockable | SpellDescription$ Cast CARDNAME only during the declare attackers step. Target creature is unblockable this turn.
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/teleport.jpg
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This should work, but it can't be cast during that specified phase. Anyone see the issue?

I can't see the issue (sorry!) but at least I duplicated the issue I was going to post this same problem, before I discovered you had hit the same wall. Berserk works fine, so it's not a problem with "ActivationPhases$" in a Pump ability. I even changed the card name to see if it was specifically something coded into Teleport, but that didn't fix things either. It's just the weirdest thing. It should work but is plagued with a mystery bug.

[Sloth]

Script for Teleport.

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Name:Teleport
ManaCost:U U U
Types:Instant
Text:no text
A:SP$ Pump | Cost$ U U U | ActivationPhases$ Declare Attackers - Play Instants and Abilities | ValidTgts$ Creature | TgtPrompt$ Select target creature | KW$ Unblockable | SpellDescription$ Cast CARDNAME only during the declare attackers step. Target creature is unblockable this turn.
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/teleport.jpg
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This should work, but it can't be cast during that specified phase. Anyone see the issue?

I can't see the issue (sorry!) but at least I duplicated the issue I was going to post this same problem, before I discovered you had hit the same wall. Berserk works fine, so it's not a problem with "ActivationPhases$" in a Pump ability. I even changed the card name to see if it was specifically something coded into Teleport, but that didn't fix things either. It's just the weirdest thing. It should work but is plagued with a mystery bug.

What's wrong with it? I can cast it during the "Declare Attackers - Play Instants and Abilities" step (note that you only get to this step after you declared at least one attacker and pressed ok).

[lunarul]

I'm new to Forge and have been trying all day to add Voracious Dragon. I tried everything and I just can't get it to work. The current version looks like this:

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Name:Voracious Dragon
ManaCost:3 R R
Types:Creature Dragon
Text:no text
PT:4/4
K:Flying
T:Mode$ ChangesZone | Destination$ Battlefield | ValidCard$ Card.Self | Execute$ TrigDealDamage | TriggerDescription$ When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, it deals damage to target creature or player equal to twice the number of Goblins it devoured.
SVar:TrigDealDamage:AB$DealDamage | Cost$ Sac<X/Creature> | Tgt$ TgtCP | NumDmg$ X | SubAbility$ SVar=DBPutCounter | SpellDescription$ Deal damage equal to twice the number of Goblins devoured.
SVar:DBPutCounter:DB$PutCounter | Defined$ Self | CounterType$ P1P1 | CounterNum$ Y | SpellDescription$ Devour 1.
SVar:X:Sacrificed$Valid Goblin/Times.2
SVar:Y:Sacrificed$Amount
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/voracious_dragon.jpg
SetInfo:CFX|Rare|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/cfx/75.jpg
SetInfo:DDG|Rare|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ddg/56.jpg
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I can't see any problem with it, but it fails to add the counters (the Sacrificed set is lost for some reason and Y returns 0).
Can anyone see where the problem is?

[Sloth]

I'm new to Forge and have been trying all day to add Voracious Dragon. I tried everything and I just can't get it to work. The current version looks like this:

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Name:Voracious Dragon
ManaCost:3 R R
Types:Creature Dragon
Text:no text
PT:4/4
K:Flying
T:Mode$ ChangesZone | Destination$ Battlefield | ValidCard$ Card.Self | Execute$ TrigDealDamage | TriggerDescription$ When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, it deals damage to target creature or player equal to twice the number of Goblins it devoured.
SVar:TrigDealDamage:AB$DealDamage | Cost$ Sac<X/Creature> | Tgt$ TgtCP | NumDmg$ X | SubAbility$ SVar=DBPutCounter | SpellDescription$ Deal damage equal to twice the number of Goblins devoured.
SVar:DBPutCounter:DB$PutCounter | Defined$ Self | CounterType$ P1P1 | CounterNum$ Y | SpellDescription$ Devour 1.
SVar:X:Sacrificed$Valid Goblin/Times.2
SVar:Y:Sacrificed$Amount
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/voracious_dragon.jpg
SetInfo:CFX|Rare|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/cfx/75.jpg
SetInfo:DDG|Rare|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ddg/56.jpg
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I can't see any problem with it, but it fails to add the counters (the Sacrificed set is lost for some reason and Y returns 0).
Can anyone see where the problem is?

Devour is not an enters-the-battlefield trigger, it happens before it enters.

[lunarul]

I'm new to Forge and have been trying all day to add Voracious Dragon. I tried everything and I just can't get it to work. The current version looks like this:

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Name:Voracious Dragon
ManaCost:3 R R
Types:Creature Dragon
Text:no text
PT:4/4
K:Flying
T:Mode$ ChangesZone | Destination$ Battlefield | ValidCard$ Card.Self | Execute$ TrigDealDamage | TriggerDescription$ When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, it deals damage to target creature or player equal to twice the number of Goblins it devoured.
SVar:TrigDealDamage:AB$DealDamage | Cost$ Sac<X/Creature> | Tgt$ TgtCP | NumDmg$ X | SubAbility$ SVar=DBPutCounter | SpellDescription$ Deal damage equal to twice the number of Goblins devoured.
SVar:DBPutCounter:DB$PutCounter | Defined$ Self | CounterType$ P1P1 | CounterNum$ Y | SpellDescription$ Devour 1.
SVar:X:Sacrificed$Valid Goblin/Times.2
SVar:Y:Sacrificed$Amount
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/voracious_dragon.jpg
SetInfo:CFX|Rare|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/cfx/75.jpg
SetInfo:DDG|Rare|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/ddg/56.jpg
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I can't see any problem with it, but it fails to add the counters (the Sacrificed set is lost for some reason and Y returns 0).
Can anyone see where the problem is?

Devour is not an enters-the-battlefield trigger, it happens before it enters.

But it doesn't change the problem... Why is Y returning 0 instead of the correct number?
To have a proper devour (before entering), I'd have to use K:Devour:1, but then I wouldn't be able to search the devoured cards for Goblins...

[Hellfish]

I thought about letting cards track what they've devoured in script before I realized Voracious Dragon is the only card that would use such a feature. The question then becomes "Is it worth it for that and potential custom cards and/or whenever Wizards decides to revive Devour?".

[friarsol]

But it doesn't change the problem... Why is Y returning 0 instead of the correct number?
To have a proper devour (before entering), I'd have to use K:Devour:1, but then I wouldn't be able to search the devoured cards for Goblins...

Either Sacrificed is being cleared out, or since it's being used on a SubAbility Sacrificed.count == 0 because the cost was paid on the Parent Ability. I'd have to look to find out, either one is possible. I'm guessing the latter to be more likely.

[lunarul]

I thought about letting cards track what they've devoured in script before I realized Voracious Dragon is the only card that would use such a feature. The question then becomes "Is it worth it for that and potential custom cards and/or whenever Wizards decides to revive Devour?".

There are actually 5 cards that would need this:
- Hellkite Hatchling - check if devoured
- Marrow Chomper - need devoured count
- Skullmulcher - need devoured count
- Tar Fiend - need devoured count
- Voracious Dragon - need devoured card types

Out of these, only Skullmulcher is implemented, and that one is hard-coded.

[Hellfish]

I meant that Voracious Dragon is the only card that would use a "what kinds of cards have I devoured?" feature. I'll look into this,though, 5 cards is 5 cards after all.

[jeffwadsworth]

Looking at Consume Strength.

This script does not work...I was just wondering if someone had another idea in mind.

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Name:Consume Strength
ManaCost:1 B G
Types:Instant
Text:no text
A:SP$ Pump | Cost$ 1 B G | ValidTgts$ Creature | TgtPrompt$ Select target creature | RememberTargets$ True | ForgetOtherTargets$ True | NumAtt$ +2 | NumDef$ +2 | SubAbility$ DBPumpCurse
SVar:DBPumpCurse:DB$Pump | ValidTgts$ Creature.IsRemembered+Other | TgtPrompt$ Select a different target creature | NumAtt$ -2 | NumDef$ -2 | IsCurse$ True
SVar:Rarity:Common
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/consume_strength.jpg
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[Hellfish]

I could add an IsNotRemembered property. That would allow Arc Trail,Leeching Bite,Consume Strength and the like to work properly with the basic idea you used there. Will edit when I've done so, I'm working on Devour-tracking right now.

[friarsol]

I could add an IsNotRemembered property. That would allow Arc Trail,Leeching Bite,Consume Strength and the like to work properly with the basic idea you used there. Will edit when I've done so, I'm working on Devour-tracking right now.

Does the Remembering happen by the time the next Target would occur? I'm not sure if it does.

[Hellfish]

Hmm, it happens on resolve, so that would need to be moved.

[friarsol]

Hmm, it happens on resolve, so that would need to be moved.

I think that's a bad idea. Leave it where it is. We'll think of a better way to solve this. (Target can add an extra parameter like "NotPreviouslyTargeted" that will check it's Parents targets)
Edit: Lemme see if I can do that now.