Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
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Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by moomarc » 06 Aug 2012, 17:40
Just posting this list of cards missing from core sets for quick reference for myself. The mouse-over in this forum just makes life so much easier...
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by mcrawford620 » 06 Aug 2012, 18:33
Thanks! I had just been thinking about asking which cards are not in there yet as I never saw a list.
For the recent ones, are they all not in the game yet because those effects aren't coded yet? Difficult effects to support?
I used to always try to build "Circle of Protection" decks back in the day...They weren't very effective.
For the recent ones, are they all not in the game yet because those effects aren't coded yet? Difficult effects to support?
I used to always try to build "Circle of Protection" decks back in the day...They weren't very effective.
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by moomarc » 06 Aug 2012, 20:29
Yip, generally it seems that several of these are just a bit out of the grasp of Forge at the moment. Loads of them target a source of your choice which means targeting stack and battlefield from the same spell ability (if we want to handle it properly) and targeting a spell permanent on the stack for instance would also reference the permanent it becomes on the battlefield.mcrawford620 wrote:Thanks! I had just been thinking about asking which cards are not in there yet as I never saw a list.
For the recent ones, are they all not in the game yet because those effects aren't coded yet? Difficult effects to support?
I used to always try to build "Circle of Protection" decks back in the day...They weren't very effective.
Loads of abilities that manipulate cards on the stack which isn't a strong point of Forge. But I'm working my way through from Alpha and seeing what I can manage. Just committed Guardian Angel so one down from 4 of the sets. Looks like Rock Hydra is doable too... so many cards, so little time.
Edit: Seems that activated abilities on Effects don't display the SpellDescription. At the moment it only affects Channel and Guardian Angel. Anyone have any ideas how to fix it? The descriptions for triggers, static abilities and replacement effects are handled differently so I'm not sure where to start. A bit out of my depth.
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by Sloth » 10 Aug 2012, 21:32
Here are a few cards that i think are scriptable:
Forcefield: Tricky (AF ChooseCard + AF Effect)
Hecatomb: Easy
Gravebane Zombie: Easy
Reprocess: Easy (see Vicious Betrayal)
Forcefield: Tricky (AF ChooseCard + AF Effect)
Hecatomb: Easy
Gravebane Zombie: Easy
Reprocess: Easy (see Vicious Betrayal)
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by friarsol » 10 Aug 2012, 21:41
Well, it isn't an additional cost so it's probably a touch more difficult than Vicious Betrayal.Sloth wrote:Reprocess: Easy (see Vicious Betrayal)
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by mcrawford620 » 10 Aug 2012, 22:15
Redirect must be difficult, it's been in the last three core sets. 
Spelltwine is another "copy" effect. But then I see Reverberate is actually scripted. So what makes Redirect and Spelltwine more difficult?
Spelltwine is another "copy" effect. But then I see Reverberate is actually scripted. So what makes Redirect and Spelltwine more difficult?
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by friarsol » 10 Aug 2012, 22:40
I'm not sure how difficult it would be to do Redirect style SAs, we'd just need someone to write up an AF for it. I'd imagine they'd go like this:mcrawford620 wrote:Redirect must be difficult, it's been in the last three core sets.
Spelltwine is another "copy" effect. But then I see Reverberate is actually scripted. So what makes Redirect and Spelltwine more difficult?
Target whatever as normal.
On resolution, take the targeted SA, grab it's Target information and allow the controller of the redirect SA to re-choose targets the same way they would normally target on casting. The only thing that worries me is we've had issues with Spells ending before required Inputs have finished being chosen for that particular spell. This easily could be one of those scenarios.
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by moomarc » 11 Aug 2012, 15:07
I tried Spelltwine originally with this scriptmcrawford620 wrote:Redirect must be difficult, it's been in the last three core sets.
Spelltwine is another "copy" effect. But then I see Reverberate is actually scripted. So what makes Redirect and Spelltwine more difficult?
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Name:Spelltwine
ManaCost:5 U
Types:Sorcery
Text:no text
A:SP$ ChangeZone | Cost$ 5 U | Origin$ Graveyard | Destination$ Exile | TgtPrompt$ Choose target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard | ValidTgts$ Instant.YouCtrl,Sorcery.YouCtrl | Imprint$ True | SubAbility$ TgtOpp | SpellDescription$ Exile target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard and target instant or sorcery from your opponent's graveyard. Copy those cards. Cast the copies if able without paying their mana cost.
SVar:TgtOpp:DB$ ChangeZone | Origin$ Graveyard | Destination$ Exile | TgtPrompt$ Choose target instant or sorcery card in your opponent's graveyard | ValidTgts$ Instant.YouDontCtrl,Sorcery.YouDontCtrl | RememberChanged$ True | SubAbility$ CopyYou
SVar:CopyYou:DB$ CopySpell | Defined$ Remembered | SubAbility$ CopyOpp
SVar:CopyOpp:DB$ CopySpell | Defined$ Imprinted | SubAbility$ DBChange
SVar:DBChange:DB$ ChangeZone | Origin$ Stack | Destination$ Exile | Defined$ Self
SVar:RemAIDeck:True
SVar:Rarity:Rare
SVar:Picture:http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/spelltwine.jpg
SetInfo:M13|Rare|http://magiccards.info/scans/en/m13/68.jpg
Oracle:Exile target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard and target instant or sorcery card from an opponent's graveyard. Copy those cards. Cast the copies if able without paying their mana costs. Exile Spelltwine.
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Re: Just a list of cards for my easy reference....
by moomarc » 13 Aug 2012, 17:34
Turns out the problem with the remembered card in my previous attempt is that there was no retrieval for Remembered in Defined SpellAbilities.
But I made a few other small changes to make CopySpell more flexible (in that you can now stipulate the number of spells to copy, then copy them to the stack in any order). It all works perfectly except for one thing that's been around for a while but nobody noticed because the situation would arise so rarely (I think it was only possible with Spellweaver Helix before). If you copy a spell that's in your opponent's exile zone, when the spell resolves the original card will have moved to your exile zone. I think the problem stems from this part of the resolve:
Edit: The problem was in CardFactory.CopySpellOntoStack. It was setting the controller of the copied card to the activating player. I think this is fine for targeted spells on the stack where it would make a new copy of the card, but when copying an imprinted or remembered card as a subability, somehow the original controller is set. So I added a line to set the controller back to the original controller after adding to stack and it seems to work properly.
I'd appreciate if you guys could keep an eye out for any odd behaviour with cards that use CopySpell.
But I made a few other small changes to make CopySpell more flexible (in that you can now stipulate the number of spells to copy, then copy them to the stack in any order). It all works perfectly except for one thing that's been around for a while but nobody noticed because the situation would arise so rarely (I think it was only possible with Spellweaver Helix before). If you copy a spell that's in your opponent's exile zone, when the spell resolves the original card will have moved to your exile zone. I think the problem stems from this part of the resolve:
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chosenSA.setActivatingPlayer(controller);
for (int i = 0; i < amount; i++) {
AllZone.getCardFactory().copySpellontoStack(card, chosenSA.getSourceCard(), chosenSA, true);
}
Edit: The problem was in CardFactory.CopySpellOntoStack. It was setting the controller of the copied card to the activating player. I think this is fine for targeted spells on the stack where it would make a new copy of the card, but when copying an imprinted or remembered card as a subability, somehow the original controller is set. So I added a line to set the controller back to the original controller after adding to stack and it seems to work properly.
I'd appreciate if you guys could keep an eye out for any odd behaviour with cards that use CopySpell.
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