Formal Request Thread

[thefiremind]

If I'm not missing something, doing this would require to change all the cards that produce counters so that they associate the right counter indexes to the choices, and the query code should be modified whenever a new counter type is introduced. I don't think it's worth for just one card.
Now that you make me think about it, if we ignore the problem of targetting cards in exile, Clockspinning could be coded so that it resembles proliferate, by giving options that only distinguish between any good counter or any bad counter. But even with this, I think there would be problems with time counters: a time counter is bad on your suspended cards (you want to get them unsuspended fast) and good on your vanishing permanents... so... let's give up, shall we?

[jacque]

Have you ever wondered what GetCountersType and GetBestOrWorstCounterType return?

Not til what you told me what they do hehehe...

However, making the menu is fairly difficult.

I have a very good feeling with the examples you have given, I'll give this approach a try...

[RiiakShiNal]

If I'm not missing something, doing this would require to change all the cards that produce counters so that they associate the right counter indexes to the choices, and the query code should be modified whenever a new counter type is introduced. I don't think it's worth for just one card.

No, the cards that produce counters won't change at all. They already add/count/remove counters using the MTG() functions and/or getting their types from GetCountersType(). The idea is for any card that needs to choose a counter type that it defines it's own relationship table (in a data chest so it can be accessed across actions) by then using that table to figure out which counter types relate to which names. The order of which record refers to which name is only important to the card building the menu. Think of it like this:

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|+1/+1   | 0|-13754|
|-1/-1   | 1| 45657|
...
|Divinity|13|195672|
...
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The first element here is the friendly counter type, the second is the data chest index we assign to that type (only thing that matters here is that it is consistent for the entirety of the Choose Counter Type code, it could be completely different for a different card), and the third element is the value from GetCountersType() for the textual type (which should always be consistent across cards). As long as people don't start defining "Time" counters as "Timer", "My_Time_Counter", "Suspend_Counter", "Vanishing_Counter", or the like then there should be no issues there. Those this method obviously won't work with custom counter types, but as long as gatherer is searched for all valid counter types you can cover all official types.

First action defines the table, second action checks the card for types and builds the menu referencing the table that was built (paging if necessary), third action gets the index from the multiple choice compares with the indexes used for the multiple choice in how they relate to the built table getting the counter type from the table. Now you can either use the type then or store it for use in later action(s).

This is quite possible just time consuming to get all the logic right.

Now that you make me think about it, if we ignore the problem of targetting cards in exile, Clockspinning could be coded so that it resembles proliferate, by giving options that only distinguish between any good counter or any bad counter. But even with this, I think there would be problems with time counters: a time counter is bad on your suspended cards (you want to get them unsuspended fast) and good on your vanishing permanents... so... let's give up, shall we?

Actually you could look at the zone it is in and adjust accordingly if you wanted to account for that. How many counter types are even possible in ZONE_EXILE? Not many.

[drleg3nd]

thx TFM, was looking at post so is this the scry code you are referring too ?

No, that's sumomole's. My code can be found on my copies of Mystic Speculation and Cryptic Annelid, and the only parameter (on Resolution1) is the scry count.

if it won't be too much trouble, can you or anyone that have any of these cards paste code here ? i am using my portable hdd to save my xmls and i dont seem to have your latest update on here and i can't access storage websites like mediafire at work. thx

[thefiremind]

the third element is the value from GetCountersType() for the textual type (which should always be consistent across cards).

OK, I got it. When I wrote the previous post there was something that didn't seem right to me, but now that I understood the idea I can't even remember exactly what it was.

if it won't be too much trouble, can you or anyone that have any of these cards paste code here ? i am using my portable hdd to save my xmls and i dont seem to have your latest update on here and i can't access storage websites like mediafire at work. thx

If I post the card code you would still need the LOL file with the scry functions. If I post the LOL file with the scry functions you would still need the LOL file with the constants. And that should be all, but maybe I'm forgetting another dependence... can't you just wait till you can access the links? By the way, my latest update will be exactly 1 month old tomorrow, it's not like you had no time to get it...

[drleg3nd]

the third element is the value from GetCountersType() for the textual type (which should always be consistent across cards).

OK, I got it. When I wrote the previous post there was something that didn't seem right to me, but now that I understood the idea I can't even remember exactly what it was.

if it won't be too much trouble, can you or anyone that have any of these cards paste code here ? i am using my portable hdd to save my xmls and i dont seem to have your latest update on here and i can't access storage websites like mediafire at work. thx

If I post the card code you would still need the LOL file with the scry functions. If I post the LOL file with the scry functions you would still need the LOL file with the constants. And that should be all, but maybe I'm forgetting another dependence... can't you just wait till you can access the links? By the way, my latest update will be exactly 1 month old tomorrow, it's not like you had no time to get it...

lol, no i downloaded on my pc already i just wanted code to update all my scry cards so when i get home i can just move to game.

[RiiakShiNal]

if it won't be too much trouble, can you or anyone that have any of these cards paste code here ? i am using my portable hdd to save my xmls and i dont seem to have your latest update on here and i can't access storage websites like mediafire at work. thx

I'm surprised that they don't mind you modding at work.

[drleg3nd]

I'm surprised that they don't mind you modding at work.

lol they can't mind if they don't know what im doing

[drleg3nd]

forum is pretty quiet today,so... im gonna request a card

NYLEA'S DISCIPLE | Open

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[sumomole]

forum is pretty quiet today,so... im gonna request a card

It's in my mod, I remember.

[RiiakShiNal]

forum is pretty quiet today,so... im gonna request a card

It's in my mod, I remember.

Would you look at that, sumomole is so on top of things that he is fulfilling requests before their even requested.

[drleg3nd]

I'm curious..can the new commandeer cards be used in constructed standard decks ? i find the new "doubling season" card interesting to put in

[ZebraGum]

Has Hero's Downfall been made yet? Out of all the mods I have here none of that card yet, mabye it doesnt work right with the Planeswalkers?

[MC Brodie]

If thefiremind can be trusted, this should work (it would work for planeswalkers and won't crash the game if someone doesn't have the PLW mod installed):

Hero's Downfall | Open

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    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="fr-FR"><![CDATA[Chute du héros]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="es-ES"><![CDATA[La caída del héroe]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="de-DE"><![CDATA[Des Helden Untergang]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="it-IT"><![CDATA[Caduta dell’Eroe]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="jp-JA"><![CDATA[英雄の破滅]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="ko-KR"><![CDATA[영웅의 몰락]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="ru-RU"><![CDATA[Падение Героя]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="pt-BR"><![CDATA[Queda do Herói]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
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    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="es-ES"><![CDATA[Destruye la criatura o planeswalker objetivo.]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="de-DE"><![CDATA[Zerstöre eine Kreatur oder einen Planeswalker deiner Wahl.]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
    <LOCALISED_TEXT LanguageCode="it-IT"><![CDATA[Distruggi una creatura o un planeswalker bersaglio.]]></LOCALISED_TEXT>
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[thefiremind]

I'm curious..can the new commandeer cards be used in constructed standard decks ? i find the new "doubling season" card interesting to put in

There are going to be, in total, 51 new cards legal in Eternal formats (Vintage and Legacy) but they are not legal in Standard, Block Constructed, or Modern.

My opinion is that you shouldn't really care about the format when making decks for DotP.